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You mean rubber stamps? I had one of those with, inkpad to boot, and it would make a fretboard grid but the stamp I had was too small for my current needs. (Though it was cool for adding a grid to a chart and indicating a handy chord grip.)
Originally Posted by snoskier63
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08-26-2014 05:56 PM
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Neat. Thanks. I have that book too. Originally Posted by j-mo
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Me too on MacG4 Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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That is to be expected, I attached blank ones. Its a bit of a stretch from the original thread, but it still utilizes software to create grids. Someone replied that they just write notes/intervals in by hand and this a quick way to create and customize blank grids. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
I suspect I could use a program along with these blank pages to input interval/note names. Maybe that'll be next
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Can't resist since I've been using Neck Diagrams extensively along with Joe Elliot's book, in which I also found the diagrams hard to read for my also aging eyes !! In addition, it's nice to have the intervals clearly marked on the notes for each arp, from educative and error checking points of view.
I also found that creating those diagrams was a very good learning exercise, including those which aren't written out in the book. Very much like transcribing is a recommended learning exercise. Put another way, it's good to ask guitar students to write out their own scale and arp diagrams.
I guess publishing all those ND created diagrams might be violating some copyrights, sorry.Last edited by mhch; 08-27-2014 at 02:13 AM.
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Can Neck Diagrams also do just black and white diagrams?
I'm not sure why but I find the colors annoying.
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Yes. No problem. I think I prefer b&w as well.
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The reason I use colours is that it helps to format the document and make them easier to grab from remote when practicing (aging yes
), I use B & W for scales except root notes, chords, and a yellow background for the arps, notes being B & W.
I rarely use ND for chords, as I prefer them appearing along bars, i.e. either on top of a staff, or using Excel to create lead sheets (each Excel cell or grouped cells = one bar)
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Good stuff, thanks. As for aging eyes, I have realized an advantage to reading music that didn't occur to me when young: tab gets hard to read as you age! "Is that a 2 or a 7? A 5 or a 3? An 8? Geez!" Originally Posted by mhch
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An example: 5 positions of the Pentatonic Minor in A. Here I've reduced everything to black and white, save for the Roots which are in red. I've chosen for the intervals to appear in the dots - I could have chosen note names or fingering. The note names appear below the fretboard - this is optional. I could reduce or enlarge any of the text, including fret numbers.
Thoughts?
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Looks great, and I didn't realize note names could be made to appear on the diagrams. Thanks for sharing.
My only reservation is about the fret dots which I personally don't like to see on these diagrams. But that's just a question of taste !
One more evidence that forums are great to expand one's experience !
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Your wish is my command! Originally Posted by mhch
I think it looks better without the fret markers. All it takes is to untick a box.
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That's verrrry kind of you (My partner in life here in France is Scottish, from Glasgow) Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
I prefer to have scale and arpeggio patterns on the neck represented without fret markers (and notes , as I prefer to think intervals rather than notes), so it better reflects the fact that they can be translated along the neck. Again question of taste.
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Do it yourself this time
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Of courrse, wasn't expecting any extrrra worrrk frrrom you .. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
Do it yourself this time
Just exprrressed a few thoughts. Thanks again.
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That's neat that the fret markers can be used or removed, whichever one prefers.
I wonder about the note names: why p5 and p4? I think 5 and 4 would be understood as perfect unless otherwise indicated. That's not a big deal----certainly no deal breaker---but I wonder why they did it that way.
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Maybe you can change that too. I'm not at home right now, but will report back.
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No way to define how intervals are annotated. I had the exact same complaint.
One can define custom annotation for each note, but this is plain user defined text to be defined for each note while interval text is created automatically, so it's a bit of a bother to do so just to change the way intervals are written.
It seems to me that the request to define how intervals are written has been made in the Neck Diagram Forum (interesting to visit from the ND web page). And it seems to me that the reply was "it will be part of the many improvements in version 2". So keep faith. Version 2 is said to appear before end of year.
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Maybe a silly question, but why is pattern V beginning with the b7 on frets 14-17 rather than 2-5? I can see that the pattern beginning with the root is I and that beginning with the b7 is V, and they are simply sequentially presented, but on many guitars the 17th fret isn't very accessible, and in jazz I would expect pattern V to be much more commonly used from frets 2-5. How many frets will the Pgm utilize before displaying the scale patterns non-sequentially? 20?, 22? And can that option be controlled?
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It can be controlled, and I could easily have set it at 2-5. So could you if you buy it and do your own
I will be using these in my teaching, and will of course explain the option.
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Question, guys: Who asked if it would be possible for this site to have 'bank' for such charts, so they could be uploaded and each member would be spared the trouble of making each chart on his own?
I think it was Rob, but scrolling back, I don't see that post here. Anyway, I asked the administrator about this and the question came back, "In what kind of form do you see such a bank?"
If you have an idea for this, please pipe up now! (If you think someone you know who is not participating in this thread but has thoughts on the subject, please alert him. Or her. Thanks.)
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It was indeed Rob, but I can't remember where either
It just struck me that most people who purchase Neck Diagrams would be teachers or students with similar interests. So, for example, we would all be writing out our own five positions of the Pentatonic minor scale. It would be good to have a part of this website (though it could equally be done elsewhere) dedicated to these diagrams, and in printable form.
So, there would be categories for Scales, another for Arpeggios, another for Chords. There could be alternative versions: some with the names of the notes in the dots, some with intervals, some with fingering. Over time, if enough people make enough contributions, it could become an online resource of all the scales, arpeggios and chords we use for jazz.
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A few thoughts of mine about the "bank"
- First of all, the Neck Diagram Forum offers a place to store and share diagrams. Up to the admin to decide whether they would prefer something more forum specific (a new section ?).
- Diagrams can be shared as either the Neck Diagram format, so they can be modified, using ND, or just viewable/printable pdf files. Modifiable format might be prefered so each one can adjust the diagrams to its own taste (colors, fret markers, etc ..).
- Copyright Issues ...
Along this line, we might also consider to have a sticky thread in the software section, in order to have a quick access to names and URLs to those software tools members are using and would like to recommend to others. Currently the information is scattered across the various discussions in that software section
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That makes sense. That's from our end----how we would think of it and what we would do with it. But from the administrative side, would this be, say: Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
It was indeed Rob, but I can't remember where either
It just struck me that most people who purchase Neck Diagrams would be teachers or students with similar interests. So, for example, we would all be writing out our own five positions of the Pentatonic minor scale. It would be good to have a part of this website (though it could equally be done elsewhere) dedicated to these diagrams, and in printable form.
So, there would be categories for Scales, another for Arpeggios, another for Chords. There could be alternative versions: some with the names of the notes in the dots, some with intervals, some with fingering. Over time, if enough people make enough contributions, it could become an online resource of all the scales, arpeggios and chords we use for jazz.
---a band of files we uploaded into a dedicated folder as pdfs?
---a thread, say, "Neck Diagram pdfs" where people posted what they had done?
---or something else?
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Good stuff. Thanks. I'll alert the administrator to this post (and Rob's and any others that come in soon) and then we'll see how it looks to him. I'm not sure that he has Neck Diagrams, so I'll include a link for the trial download and website. Originally Posted by mhch
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