JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 55) - Sugar

**ragman1** · 01-27-2022, 02:43 PM

This one's from Triple_Jazz.

JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 55) - Sugar-turrentine-forum-jpg

**Triple_Jazz** · 01-28-2022, 09:01 PM

I’m here in the Northeast bracing for a Blizzard, not at home but at work for the next few days. Will have to post my cut sometime in the week. Look forward to hearing some contributions!

**ragman1** · 01-29-2022, 03:23 AM

bracing for a Blizzard

I've just watched 'The Day After Tomorrow'. Hope it's not like that

**John A.** · 01-29-2022, 05:54 PM

No takers takers for this tune, it seems. Come on folks, it's a fun one. There are some good backing tracks. I decided to go With Mr. Sunny Bass and add a drum track.

**rpjazzguitar** · 01-29-2022, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by John A.

No takers takers for this tune, it seems. Come on folks, it's a fun one. There are some good backing tracks. I decided to go With Mr. Sunny Bass and add a drum track.

Chordal passages came out really nice. Great voicings and the guitar sounds terrific.

**ragman1** · 01-29-2022, 07:35 PM

Thank you, John, someone's turned up! Nice playing as usual.

Back when this was started the tune had almost been done to death by about Sunday :-)

**wzpgsr** · 01-29-2022, 07:47 PM

I'm here—will get something posted this weekend for sure.

**ragman1** · 01-29-2022, 08:59 PM

It's okay, it's not a roust. No pressure.

I've done about three versions so far but I'm not happy yet :-)

**wzpgsr** · 01-29-2022, 11:38 PM

If you don’t fall off the rails once in a while, you’re not doing it right. I guess.

**ragman1** · 01-30-2022, 09:29 AM

I liked that, wzpgsr, it was interesting.

This might do.

**wzpgsr** · 01-30-2022, 01:10 PM

John: I’ve been playing with the same trio the last couple of takes as well. Mr. Sunny Bass and Mr. Drum Genius really get around. I liked the bit of chord soloing you sprinkled throughout.

Rags: Nice take. Some blues coming out, but with some vague “tropical” references.

**wzpgsr** · 01-30-2022, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by ragman1

I liked that, wzpgsr, it was interesting.

This might do.

Thanks rags. Those 16th note twiddles you referenced before are kind of a bear for me, but also an important to the bebop sound imo. I practiced them quite a bit earlier in the day, but as usual, it kind of went to hell once I pressed record.

**ragman1** · 01-30-2022, 01:23 PM

Oh, I can play them all right, I just thought they didn't sound that good on my recording. I don't mind twiddles, I just got tired of twiddling so much (the head's repeated twice).

I liked the way you started low, by the way, and your lines were pretty good too. Do you have a 'method'? Or would that be classified?

**wzpgsr** · 01-30-2022, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by ragman1

Oh, I can play them all right, I just thought they didn't sound that good on my recording. I don't mind twiddles, I just got tired of twiddling so much (the head's repeated twice).

I liked the way you started low, by the way, and your lines were pretty good too. Do you have a 'method'? Or would that be classified?

Since we’ve started this weekly thing I try to learn the melody as quickly as I can, then try to completely internalize the changes using simple three note voicings so I don’t have to look at the chart. The more I do those two things, the faster and easier learning tunes gets. When we first started this, it would take me 3-4 days just to barely internalize changes. Now I can usually do it an a few hours or less. Head sometimes takes longer—like all the twiddles took some extra work yesterday.

I try to see different keys on the neck using these three note voicings as a road map for fingerings. I’ve been working with a teacher on incorporating altered sounds over ii-vs, playing the head to Donna Lee a lot and trying to internalize some of those lines, and transcribing a bits of a Doug Raney solo over Autumn Leaves. My method is to play the crap out of that stuff when I practice and hope that some of it comes out in playing. I also pay a lot of attention to what the more advanced players in this group are doing. Seeing how / where the blues comes out, etc. versus playing changes.

**ragman1** · 01-30-2022, 07:34 PM

hope that some of it comes out in playing.

It does

**ragman1** · 01-31-2022, 11:47 AM

Okay, twiddly Sugar now.

**John A.** · 01-31-2022, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by ragman1

Okay, twiddly Sugar now.

I've heard vocal versions without the "twiddles", but I couldn't find any instrumental versions without it (and all the Turrentine versions have it), so I think it's fair to say that it's part of the melody and not just optional ornamentations.

**ragman1** · 01-31-2022, 01:39 PM

Oh, I know that's the melody, definitely, but I still find them twiddly. I mean, six in a row? Twice!!! But it doesn't really affect the soloing so it's not a big deal.

But what's quite clever is the way he makes Cm pentatonic fit so neatly over Gb7 Or is it the other way round :-)

**Triple_Jazz** · 02-02-2022, 05:00 PM

Well, better late then never !

**wzpgsr** · 02-02-2022, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz

Well, better late then never !

Welcome to the party. There's a handful of us. Do you find that the chord stabs help you stay anchored in the form? This is something I need to work on.

**ragman1** · 02-02-2022, 08:25 PM

Triple -

I did like that slow, sultry bass, quite seductive in its way

**Triple_Jazz** · 02-02-2022, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by wzpgsr;[URL="tel:1178128"

1178128[/URL]]Welcome to the party. There's a handful of us. Do you find that the chord stabs help you stay anchored in the form? This is something I need to work on.

I like the sound of chords within an improv, I like it to sound more like a piano. My ear gravitates most to the pianist on a recording and I’m always trying to emulate. It helps stay on the form for sure but it’s not an intentional tactic.