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Art is an activity in which something is created for which there is no apparent practical function or purpose, yet people still seem to find the created thing desirable.
Originally Posted by Marcel_A
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01-18-2022 08:36 PM
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Art is enjoyed by billions of people every day, whether they realize it or not. According to studies, most people spend hours daily watching/streaming movies or TV shows. Theatre/TV/movies are a form of art, which also includes music. Music itself is also enjoyed by billions of people every day.
It provides enjoyment for people, makes them feel good, and helps them make their days more enjoyable. People are also inspired by and learn things from art.
So art does provide a quite valuable function for people, more than a lot of people realize. It also provides millions of extremely lucrative jobs for people, and therefore even helps economies prosper. It makes people feel good, is educational, and provides jobs, so IMO art is an extremely valuable human invention.
Yes, I think art is precious and valuable.
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I find that definition of "art" too narrow, but if that is the case music isn't art. Originally Posted by SoftwareGuy
A lot of music is created to serve a practical function; E.g. a musical score for a movie; elevator-music, dance-music etc...
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If I remember correctly from school 20 years ago. Art is a the reaction between what something supposed to be like vs. the way the way the artist made it.
It's not a definition but just a thought. By Heiddegger I think. Might remember it wrong though. I have a bad memory.
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Is circus an art?
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Non-vital; I like it. As you note still not 100% there (I don't think that is possible), but close enough for jazz (pun intended!). Originally Posted by Lobomov
(as for "close enough for jazz": I just found out the origin for this was):
Close enough for jazz is American slang meaning “near enough, good enough”. It comes from musician’s slang meaning that a particular tuning, for example, would be “good enough (to play) jazz”. It is of course an immensely annoying phrase for jazz musicians.
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Music is the artform that utilizes virtual time and virtual emotion. Originally Posted by Lobomov
It is the only time man creates.Last edited by WILSON 1; 01-21-2022 at 01:33 PM.
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My teacher pointed me in this direction. Seems like a "younger" player to me and very very gifted imho...
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Does something magical happen when the young players turn into old players?
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Serving a desire of some kind strikes me as highly practical. If you want to say a work of art doesn't provide food, shelter, OK sure. But the same could be said for most of what human beings do (nearly all aspects of culture, religion, conversation, education, scholarship, non-procreative sex, just generally hanging around and being a person, etc ). Social interaction and cohesion is actually the main point of being a human being, and art plays an important practical role in that in all societies. Originally Posted by SoftwareGuy
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In some cases, it appears some sort of dark magic causing them to see the cultural landscape as a lawn off of which the younger musicians should get does. Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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To be fair to those that often put-down younger players they did mention that when musicians like Miles, Parker, Christian, etc.. were young they were already "artist"; that the so called magic was already there. (and that they don't see any young players today that have anything close to the magic that those old-time great had when they were young. Originally Posted by wzpgsr
Note I don't support that point, per se, since they are comparing the cream of the crop from prior generations to the total crop of young players today.
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Yes, they join a jazz guitar forum. Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Pretty bold to create a category of “young jazz guitarists” and feeling like you need to tell them what music is. Maybe you can ask them too?
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Hey, I never said my sample of "young players" on youtube was a scientific sample lol. So maybe it was just the young players I happened to notice?
Really, it's not just young players who do that either. I notice older players doing it too
. There's one granpa who’s all over the internet playing jazz, and it seems like everything he plays is like a million MPH. I guess I’m just not impressed with guys running scales at a million MPH all the time. Hey, I play fast quite a bit too but just not "all of the time".
Bottom line is that I don't think it's good to do that all the time if you're a young or experienced player. I don't know about you, but I just keep getting more experienced.
Julian Lage is mid 30s, so more experienced than the guys I was referring to. Sure, and he can play fast, but he doesn't do it all the time. He's one player who I find really enjoyable to listen too. He's very inventive, and really has fun with it. That comes across in his improv, which is cool.
Hey, some guys can pull it off, though, and still sound amazing, so there are always exceptions to every rule. If you're one of those guys, then go on with your bad self. One of my favorite and most admired players ever, plays fast quite a lot, BUT if you're paying attention you notice that he can play on ballads leaving lots of space and still knock your socks off with his brilliant improv. That's cool
, that's what I'm talking about.
>>>>>Honestly, I play fast quite a lot too, so I don't want to sound hypocritical. What I really mean are guys who seem to not know when to let off the gas to fit the music or just to give peoples ears a break lol. Also guys who sound terrible when they attempt to play on ballads. That’s not good. IMO you should leave space in your improv at least some of the time (depending on the tune of course), AND when you slow things down there should not be any drop off in the amazingly excellent level of your improv.
Some of my favorite players of all time play fast quite a lot, quite a lot, BUT they still sound excellent, when they play more sparsely and leave space in their improv. ?It's all relative.
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The definition of "definition" changes too.
Languages are crazy. Definitions are crazy. Therefore, people are crazy!
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What is music?
Music is something that goes up or down or stays the same or played together.
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What is, really?
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I have gripes about new stuff, but not about shredding. It's about the changing of the style with dumb sounds to my ear. It's not only young people doing it either, it's players of all ages by this point. It just feels awkward and doesn't move me at all. Some mod stuff is cool to me. Like Herbie's music in the movie Round Midnight. I can dig on some aspects of mod, but stuff like this where it isn't interesting melodically, harmonically, and it's like trying not to groove. I'm just like wtf. I'll definitely say get off my lawn with that stuff.
Shredding doesn't bother me. I don't really buy the argument that if someone is a good fast player that they'll probably have holes in their slower playing. It usually doesn't work that way. I usually don't care to listen to that much burning jazz, but I do really like rhythm when it's used well.
This is the mod that I want off my lawn.
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What goes UP or DOWN? Originally Posted by Jason Sioco
What is music?
Music is something that goes up or down or stays the same or played together.
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A piece of music is a sequence of sounds that establish a pattern and then create tension within that pattern.
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Meaning, applied to sound.
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Music is whatever I point at and say ‘that’s music’ and everyone who disagrees is wrong
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It is the food of love ....
play on Jimi
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Well? This was an amusing read. I’m going back to BK playing now
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