In/Out playing- your favourite examples.

[christianm77]

What I ask myself is this:

Say the only music there existed was the 'modern' atonal, free, modal, out, whatever, stuff. No classical harmonies, just the new stuff. What kind of people would we be?

Thing is, it's not the only kind. There's the normal music all around so the modern stuff provides an interesting divertissement to it. Quite nice.

I remember hearing about a girl's school where Harrison Birtwistle was the music teacher.... Apparently they all grew up being perfectly fine listening to Schoenberg etc.... They were still posh :-)

All music is a language... People find bebop hard to hear at first, I know I did. But I also found Mozart hard to understand at first, more into Holst and Stravinsky which was more familiar due to John Williams score for Star Wars and so on.

[christianm77]

Tatum and Byas were the first guys to play a cycle of 4ths sequence (F#7-B7-E7-A7-D7-G7-C7-F7) over the first 4 bars of Rhythm Changes tunes. This live Town Hall duo recording with Don Byas and Slam Stewart is pretty out for 1945:

That's fucking bebop! Insane stuff, thanks for posting. Slam recorded quite a few duos didn't he?

F#7-B7-E7-A7-D7-G7-C7-F7 I think is from Art Tatum? Jazz educators usually credit Monk, but I think the progression was around before then (but then Monk is closely connected to that early 40s era too).

[PMB]

That's fucking bebop! Insane stuff, thanks for posting. Slam recorded quite a few duos didn't he?

F#7-B7-E7-A7-D7-G7-C7-F7 I think is from Art Tatum? Jazz educators usually credit Monk, but I think the progression was around before then (but then Monk is closely connected to that early 40s era too).

The 1942-44 recording strike makes it difficult to know the true sequence of events but Tatum seems a likely candidate. Slam Stewart was a founding member of Art Tatum's trio a couple of years before the Town Hall gig so he may have brought the idea across to Byas. Monk did use the same cycle of 4ths progression in his rhythm changes tune, "Humph" but that wasn't recorded until 1947.

[PMB]

On the topic of in/out playing, check out Tatum's rendition of "Aunt Hagar's Blues" (1953):

[christianm77]

The 1942-44 recording strike makes it difficult to know the true sequence of events but Tatum seems a likely candidate. Slam Stewart was a founding member of Art Tatum's trio a couple of years before the Town Hall gig so he may have brought the idea across to Byas. Monk did use the same cycle of 4ths progression in his rhythm changes tune, "Humph" but that wasn't recorded until 1947.

Probably we'll never know... The origin of ideas in jazz is hard to track down...

[ragman1]

perfectly fine listening to Schoenberg

Oh, so they should be. S is fine. Lovely stuff, a huge cut above. It's not just stupid sounds, it is absolutely real music. Maybe better than jazz :-)

[christianm77]

Hey was there a recording of Byas doing the sidle slip thing?

[christianm77]

Oh, so they should be. S is fine. Lovely stuff, a huge cut above. It's not just stupid sounds, it is absolutely real music. Maybe better than jazz :-)

Good choice - 'I feel the air of another world.'

[christianm77]

too busy to look. but it is all over the place in swing music, the most popular sidestep being the one in honeysuckle rose (making it almost a part of the composition)

at 1:38

Cool. Makes me feel better about doing it on Lindyhop gigs. I thought I was being naughty, but no.

[princeplanet]

too busy to look. but it is all over the place in swing music, the most popular sidestep being the one in honeysuckle rose (making it almost a part of the composition)

at 1:38

also around 0.53...

[princeplanet]

1930's outside playing

Ha! Nice find! Guy must been high at the time...

[princeplanet]

On the topic of in/out playing, check out Tatum's rendition of "Aunt Hagar's Blues" (1953):

....swoon... sigh.....

[christianm77]

Ha! Nice find! Guy must been high at the time...

Well he used to gig with a stuffed parrot on his shoulder.

The song is obviously about the effects of special herbal cigarettes, so you are on the money.

[grahambop]

I like this example of Scofield playing on standard changes.