Playing Natural 3 on Minor 7s and Major 7 on Dominant 7s

[M-ster]

I believe that many (perhaps all?) of these occurrences are the result of the improvisor superimposing other harmonies on top of the stated/standard/common changes.

Could be me, but I think you guys ended up where I was in post #2.

[Double 07]

Could be me, but I think you guys ended up where I was in post #2.

Oh no you didn't? lmao funny.

I remember when I was just starting out learning jazz, I used to think that the reason all these legendary players sounded so good was because they just really knew their arpeggios, and when a G7 came, they could play a G7 arpeggio right away!

It's funny how after a while you learn that playing GBDF over a G7 is just about the lamest thing you can play, relatively speaking of course.

But seriously tho...

Okay bw we have got to talk about this. Knowing your arpeggios is essential to playing jazz fluently. Whether it sounds "lame" or not really just depends on how well the player is applying them.

[JakeAcci]

Could be me, but I think you guys ended up where I was in post #2.

Hey bro, I've been on your side - just didn't think the message was getting through.

[bluewaterpig]

Knowing your arpeggios is essential to playing jazz fluently. Whether it sounds "lame" or not really just depends on how well the player is applying them.

You're 100% totally and absolutely speaking in the wrong direction of my post.

I never said anything even close to something like "arpeggios are lame". I don't think there's a player on the planet who doesn't know that they're essential to know like the back of your hand.

Substituting arpeggios over different chords is something that I do literally every single time I play.

However, I did say that playing a G7 arpeggio over a G7 isn't the hippest sound in the world.