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I am wondering what fingering systems some of you use. I started with a Berklee method that kept the 2nd finger on one fret, and you would do all 12 keys with that anchored finger. It's good for voice-leading I think.
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09-08-2011 11:18 AM
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Jimmy Bruno's 5 shapes
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I guess than means you learned 12 shapes!
Originally Posted by Jzzr
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When you put it that way, it sounds complicated....but it really wasn't. But yeah, I guess so...12 shapes. The thing I liked about it was how the options for voice leading were opened up in in close progresssions like say a ii V in D to a ii V in C#. I think it was harder however than a 5-position system to see the scale up the length of the neck.
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I see your point. Time for me to woodshed!
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I'm another Jimmy Bruno 5 shapes player.
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No doubt that is a very effective fingering system.
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I guess one of the things I'm interested in is fingerings that best accommodate slurs/legato-like playing--say like Scofield for example, I wonder what kind of fingering system he uses. I've heard about 3nps for example, but I haven't seen an exact system.
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Jzzr, one of the first things Sid Jacobs presents in the new book you ordered (Jazz Guitar Improvisation) is a super-cool method of playing some "symmetrical" scales -- really well-suited to jazz, and the fingerings just beg for legato! I *love* these fingerings, and had never seen anything like them before. My dad had a big trunk chock-full of guitar books, and I've added a lot more to them, and none presents anything remotely like these "symmetrical" scales.
For example, Jacobs first shows a C major scale that begins on G of the low E and lets you zip up the neck to the 13th fret F note, first string, all with fingers 1, 3, and 4. Thus "symmetrical."
These fingerings will evoke so many new ideas in your head, you won't believe it. He goes on to show harmonic minor and others that work similarly. Fast, linear, and legato city.
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Which Berklee book(s) did you learn these 12 "anchored-second-finger" scales from? I ask because I learned the Bill Leavitt 12-fingerings from the "Modern Method" books, but these fingerings have nothing to do with an "anchored 2nd finger." With the fingerings I learned, one can play a 2-octave scale in any key, at any fret on the guitar. But they begin with every finger - 1, 2, 3, 4.
Just curious about your way.
kj
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I find the Matt Warnock system of fingering to be one of the easiest to learn and to use.
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Why is John Scofield so famous, i guess to my ears he has never impressed me one bit...so many better and tastefull players out there. Unless i'm missing something
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Complete and appropriate contempt for sanguine cliches leading to a completely unique sound: the master of the medium funk. Hope that answers your question. Originally Posted by guitarplayer007
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I tune in fourths now and it is 3nps all the way, seven fingerings that all look alike. I'm faster now than I have any right to be. Originally Posted by Jzzr
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Yes ty
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I learned 8 different fingerings which comes in handy for finding new chords. I think Vic Juris and Bob De Vos teach these to their students (as well as anybody that studied with Harry Leahey or maybe even Dennis Sandole)
9/10 update
I saved it as a tiff and I tried exporting it to one note . TIFF is invalid here. I also oticed in the upload screen that the maximun size file for PDF's and MPS is -. Don't know if that means anything.
Anyway, If you want a copy please send me a PM and I'll get it to you.
9/10 later
I managed to get it into Word
Removed attachmentsLast edited by JohnW400; 09-11-2011 at 11:44 AM.
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Do you mean diminished, whole tone, augmented, etc.? Originally Posted by Kojo27
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What I find interesting about John Scofield is that his playing as a sideman always fits right in and I like listening to him in that role. I think as a solo artist he is wed to his chorus & phase shifter pedals and to my ears his guitar sounds out of tune. Originally Posted by guitarplayer007
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Anyone else having trouble opening this file? My computer says it's "empty." Originally Posted by JohnW400
I'd love to see these fingerings, too!
Thanks.
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I just tried to open it and it wouldn't work for me. I then re-saved it as a pdf and still got an error.
My original opens without a problem. I've never had a problem before with this .pdf and I've posted it at a variety of sites.
Anybody else have a problem opening this file?Last edited by JohnW400; 09-09-2011 at 02:56 PM.
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It doesn't work for me too.
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Recently this has been an issue on this site with pdf's. Originally Posted by JohnW400
Works at home but not in the forum.
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Does anybody (Derek, Mr. B?) have any idea about it? I just reloaded Adobe Reader just in case and it still didn't work.
Anyway, if anybody is interested PM me an e-mail address I can send it to until they get this sorted
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I downloaded the latest version of Adobe Reader X (10.1.0) and it couldn't open that file.
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I have XP sp3 and am at 8.1.2. . My home machine has Vista. I'll try to up load it from there or maybe make a new pdf from the Sibelius file
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No, the symmetry comes from the fingering patterns. Ever seen a major scale (or harmonic minor, or melodic minor) that could be played with fingers 1-3-4 only? This is why he calls them symmetrical. "Symmetrical fingerings" might be a better term. The "trick" is that on strings 6, 4, and 2, there's a first-finger, whole-tone slide. But it happens so fast and naturally that it doesn't throw off the feeling of symmetry, or sameness. Originally Posted by whatswisdom
These fingerings aren't intended to replace more conventional ones, but they certainly open up a world of new ideas. Sid Jacobs shows you the C major, harmonic minor, etc., and leaves it to you to work out the others, which is easy and kinda nice. He doesn't turn it into a scale book.
kj
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