Minor 6 substitution for dominant chords

[ragman1]

A different scale for each of these minor 6th chords is not a practical approach. As I said earlier, the diminished scale will include them all.

But each one has its own sound. Using only one scale would surely make all your lines sound a bit the same, no?

[Mick-7]

But each one has its own sound. Using only one scale would surely make all your lines sound a bit the same, no?

There are more possible note combinations in the diminished scale, with it's 8 notes. But if you want even more, you could go to the chromatic scale.

[rpjazzguitar]

I confess that I've always found diminished scales to be confusing.

The basic chord could be called m6b5. The scale is those four notes plus the four notes of the m6b5 chord a half step higher.

Usage is as a 7b9, whatever you call it when an F^7 goes to F#o7, and whatever else people do with them.

Repeats every 3 frets, but you have to remember whether it's HW or WH.

Confusing.

[ragman1]

There are more possible note combinations in the diminished scale, with it's 8 notes. But if you want even more, you could go to the chromatic scale.

Now you're being silly. But exactly :-)

[pcjazz]

I confess that I've always found diminished scales to be confusing.

The basic chord could be called m6b5. The scale is those four notes plus the four notes of the m6b5 chord a half step higher. .

Barry used to say, the diminished scale is the notes of the diminished chord plus the roots of the related dominants, i.e. the four dominant seventh chords generated by dropping each diminished chord tone by a half step, aka family of dominants.

[AllanAllen]

Barry used to say, the diminished scale is the notes of the diminished chord plus the roots of the related dominants, i.e. the four dominant seventh chords generated by dropping each diminished chord tone by a half step, aka family of dominants.

Oh, that’s why Mike Hayes is always hammering the related dominants on his YouTube channel

[Mick-7]

Barry used to say, the diminished scale is the notes of the diminished chord plus the roots of the related dominants, i.e. the four dominant seventh chords generated by dropping each diminished chord tone by a half step, aka family of dominants.

Yes, for example: A7b9 (Bb-C#-E-G, no root) = C7b9, Eb7b9 & F#7b9 (no roots).

Or in the case of the entire dim. scale [i.e., C-Db-Eb-E-F#-G-A-Bb]: A13b9/#9/#11 = C13b9/#9/#11, Eb13b9/#9/#11, and F#13b9/#9/#11.

The relative minor 6 chords (IIm chord) for the above V7 chords are: Em6 (A7b9)/ Gm6 (C7b9), Bbm6 (Eb7b9), and C#m6 (F#7b9).

That is a point of confusion because the IIm chord is normally a minor 7 chord, not a minor 6#7 chord (which the Im chord is).

[Cunamara]

Barry used to say, the diminished scale is the notes of the diminished chord plus the roots of the related dominants, i.e. the four dominant seventh chords generated by dropping each diminished chord tone by a half step, aka family of dominants.

Central to Pat Martino's "The Nature of the Guitar" notion, just expressed in different terms.

[Mick-7]

I'm working on using m6 arpeggio to improvise on dominant chords.
I know than on D7 i can use mainly am6, d#m6 and cm6. Its easy to use the am6... but I have a hard time trying to use the other two in the context of a ii V I. Any help? Does someone have examples I could hear?

I would just compose lines based on the chords/scales you want to improvise on, write them down and practice them. The more you do this, the easier it will get.

Here are three examples I just wrote down that are based on the triads you mentioned, but they're in C major rather than G.

[Christian Miller]

A different scale for each of these minor 6th chords is not a practical approach.

Perhaps this is a skills issue.

[pamosmusic]

Perhaps this is a skills issue.

Savage

[garybaldy]

Oh, that’s why Mike Hayes is always hammering the related dominants on his YouTube channel

I like him. (as a musician and teacher!)

[pamosmusic]

Playing three different scales in one measure? That's not a skill I would care to master.

Did anyone say one measure?

Ragman just said that there were these three sounds. Don’t think he said you should play them all at once