Coltrane Changes Method

[Mick-7]

Isn't this just an extremely roundabout way of saying to play the key centers?

I suppose, I find it easier to think in similar chords.

[pamosmusic]

I suppose, I find it easier to think in similar chords.

Whew. You do you, I guess.

[Mick-7]

Whew. You do you, I guess.

What works for you?

[pamosmusic]

What works for you?

For Giant Steps?

Abstinence.

[Mick-7]

Seems like chord tones is the only sensible way to approach it, too many chords moving too fast to think in terms of scales. Coltrane outlines the chords in his solos. But really, you just have to play it until you can hear and improvise on it. I don't like the song enough to be motivated to spend much time on it.

[Christian Miller]

Chord tones is not the only way.

One thing I think people don’t quite get about GS specifically is that the B major chord at the start is the end of the previous II V I not the beginning of the Coltrane cycle. The Coltrane cycle starts in the middle of the first bar

So we have II v I into B as a pick up the D7 Gmaj7 Bb7 Eb, the a Ii V I in Eb

Same thing starting on Bb7.

So it’s not even a complete Coltrane cycle.

Listen to Trane play it and it’s clearly how he phrases it. He starts his solo in the penultimate bar of the head, which is where many jazz solos begin. He plays a line into the B chord and then articulates the D7 G Bb7 Eb bit with those classic 1-2-3-5 figures. He doesn’t just use this technique btw there’s a few little figures he uses, I go into it a bit in my video.

But as Barry harris pointed out you can play that progression more smoothly by blocking that D7 Gmaj7 Bb7 Eb into two scales D7 and Bb7 and then play bop language on it. Or run a stepwise scale through the progression.

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[AllanAllen]

Chord tones is not the only way.

One thing I think people don’t quite get about GS specifically is that the B major chord at the start is the end of the previous II V I not the beginning of the Coltrane cycle. The Coltrane cycle starts in the middle of the first bar

So we have II v I into B as a pick up the D7 Gmaj7 Bb7 Eb, the a Ii V I in Eb

Same thing starting on Bb7.

So it’s not even a complete Coltrane cycle.

Listen to Trane play it and it’s clearly how he phrases it. He starts his solo in the penultimate bar of the head, which is where many jazz solos begin. He plays a line into the B chord and then articulates the D7 G Bb7 Eb bit with those classic 1-2-3-5 figures. He doesn’t just use this technique btw there’s a few little figures he uses, I go into it a bit in my video.

But as Barry harris pointed out you can play that progression more smoothly by blocking that D7 Gmaj7 Bb7 Eb into two scales D7 and Bb7 and then play bop language on it. Or run a stepwise scale through the progression.

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i recognize this from your video! Maybe I understand more than I thought.