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Originally Posted by Marcel_A
Haha, seriously? You're blaming me for looking for 'convenient lists' while you try to make the argument between 'big success' and 'huge'.
Come on man, this is becoming the most ridiculous conversation I've ever been in.
And i'm not even making trying to make a point here, just posted a link that on youtube they have the most watched music video for bands in the 80's and 90's. A big succes, not huge.
Also, the fourth highest-grossing tour of all time, but we have also already established that is not 'huge' but a big succes.
Here are some bands/acts and their most viewed video on youtube:
The Beatles Don't let me down: 323M views
Elvis Presley - Can't help falling in Love : 271M views
Michael Jackson - Billy Jean : 951M views
GNR - November Rain : 1.5B views (GNR - Sweet Child 'O mine : 1.2B views)
You should change the wikipedia page of guns 'n roses.. Tim Collins, Aerosmith's then-manager, remarked, "By the end of the tour, Guns N' Roses were huge. They basically just exploded."
Wrong Tim Collins!!!! They had big success, not huge!!Last edited by waltf; 03-21-2021 at 12:20 PM.
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03-21-2021 12:03 PM
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Also, kinda funny guns 'n roses is mentioned five times in the link you posted Originally Posted by Marcel_A
Billion View Club
An early metric of a video's popularity was the so-called Billion View Club, videos which had succeeded in reaching over 1 billion views since their initial upload.[2]
In December 2012, "Gangnam Style" became the first video to reach one billion views.[3] By June 2015, only "Baby" had also managed to pass this threshold, but, by October 2015, a total of ten videos had done so,[2] and the number grew further to 100 in February 2018.[4] Considering older videos that pre-dated YouTube's creation in 2005 but were added later:
- "November Rain" by Guns N' Roses became the first video made prior to YouTube's creation to reach this threshold by July 2018.[5]
- "Numb" by Linkin Park was the first 2000s video predating YouTube to reach 1 billion views in November 2018.[6]
- "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen was the first 1970s video (and pre-1990s video) to reach 1 billion views in July 2019.[7]
- Guns N' Roses' "Sweet Child o' Mine" was the first 1980s video to reach 1 billion views in October 2019.[8]
By year of release
The following table lists the current top 5 most viewed YouTube videos uploaded in each year, with each total rounded to the nearest 10 million views, uploader and upload date.[J]
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Ed Sheeran has the most appearances on the list with three. icanrockyourworld (2007), Linkin Park (2007), Queen (2008), Guns N' Roses (2009), Ed Sheeran (2017) and Cocomelon – Nursery Rhymes (2018) have two videos in the top 5 of a single year
Combined views (2008) 4.48 [68] 2009 "Axel F"[80] Crazy Frog 2.66 June 16, 2009 "November Rain"[81] Guns N' Roses 1.55 December 25, 2009 "Bad Romance"[82] Lady Gaga 1.34 November 24, 2009 "Smells Like Teen Spirit"[83] Nirvana 1.21 June 16, 2009 "Sweet Child o' Mine"[84] Guns N' Roses 1.20 December 25, 2009
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But that is my point: you are looking for lists g and r is doing well in.
I am not.
ed sheeran is bigger than guns and roses: my list says so.
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Yes and who's arguing with you? Or don't you think Ed Sheeran is huge? Just a big success right? Originally Posted by Marcel_A
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Really? You think sheeran is huge?
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ok this discussion isn't really going anywhere..
Saying that guns n' roses "Mwah . . . . they had their moment" and "they were not huge" is just silly if you look at the numbers,
even from the list you showed me to "prove" the opposit.
It's not about taste, just facts, so here they are again:
- Hard to measure but lets say top 100 best selling acts ever (large margin)
- In 2017, 29 years after their debut, they had the fourth highest-grossing tour of all time
- Most viewed music videos on youtube from 80's and 90's.
Have a nice sunday!
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Uptown Funk #7 at 4.12 billion views. Just sayin! Originally Posted by Marcel_A
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Baby Shark - 8B and counting.
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Originally Posted by waltf
If that doesn't define huge then I don't know what does?
An absolutely mind blowing achievement.
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Measuring artists by sales is folly at best, shallow at worst. Also silly. I'm not hating on anybody, merely exercising some taste, background and experience. G 'n' R can teach me nothing after working with Ray Brown and George Coleman and Alan Dawson and Barney Kessel. Facts and numbers have virtually nothing to do with art. I'm do find it humorous that the folks on a jazz guitar site choose to be so defensive of a rock band, though. Do you all love KISS, too? Originally Posted by waltf
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What it defines is the dearth of pop music acts in the recent past and the yearning by boomers to return to their youth. It never ceases to amaze me that so many folks measure achievement by money made. Originally Posted by Lobomov
If that doesn't define huge then I don't know what does?
An absolutely mind blowing achievement.
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Shallow Originally Posted by ronjazz
Rock Bad, jazz Good.
Can we be friends now.
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first I thought you were joking, but I guess you are not. Originally Posted by Lobomov
It’s not an achievement. People pay for a ticket. If lots of people do, you make a lot of money. It’s not hard.
Writing a good rock song is an achievement and they wrote a couple.
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Originally Posted by ronjazz
We don't measure it by money made .. Money made is just a proxy for how many people the art touched.
Tell me Ron, if not in order to touch people .. why are you in the arts?
What amazes me is that if I claimed this here dude (Pasquale Grasso) playing in what looks like an empty pub as the pinnacle of music then you would applaud me. His only audience seems to have her back turned towards him?
But something like this is just shite:
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But it is a very bad proxy. As were all the other ‘convenient’ lists that were presented.
I view miles Davis as being huge. How is he doing in those lists of yours?
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Blah blah blah .. It's you that keeps defining stuff as not huge ... Therefore the burden to prove that Miles was huge is on your shoulders Originally Posted by Marcel_A
But from you've written in this thread The Beatles where the biggest .. Prince was huge and G'N'R where nothing
From this we can safely conclude Miles is just a pale version of Prince, isn't he?
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Originally Posted by Marcel_A
sigh... look, nobody here is saying guns n' roses is the best band ever.
The discussion was about izzy stradlin / guns n' roses being a famous band.
They did very well. Apparently that's hard to grasp or to acknowledge for some people..
"Though precise figures have been disputed, Kind of Blue is often cited as the best-selling jazz record of all time. In 2019, it was certified 5× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for shipments of over five million copies."
So what we learned from this thread is that Kind of Blue must be a horrible jazz album, probably the worst, as the majority has no taste
and now ronjazz will exercise some taste, background and experience and tell us what we poor souls should be listening to.
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Originally Posted by waltf
I'm kinda looking forward to the upcoming ronjazz critique of that steaming plate of McDonalds jazz that Miles dubbed "Kind of blue"
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Don’t mess with KOB unless you had a hand in creating it. It’s a very solid jazz album. It’s sold more than 5M albums no?
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Back in the ‘90s I managed a group of software consultants. That meant taking people out to lunch daily as I tried to maintain some personal contact with programmers on contracts at various companies across the city. The one robotics specialist was always interesting in a withdrawn odd stereotyped way. One trip he drove to lunch so he could refuel. Beat up old bug packed with trash. And an 8x10 signed glossy of one the big models of the day in the center of the dashboard. A tall brunette famous for her appearance in a G’n’R video and relationship with the singer. Good! Something to talk about. “Guns and Roses fan?”
”No.”
”The picture?”
”That’s my sister.”
“That’s interesting.” And hearing the doubt in my voice proceeds to pull out a picture of the two of them about age 12, 13.
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@waltf
Not a fast learner are you?
Your first reflex is to dig up a list of best selling jazz albums.
You know what? On that particular list Miles is leading!
Being huge has something but not a lot to do with your lists.
In my book Davis is huge for a number of reasons. How many albums he sold is not one of them.
Insane clown posse are huge. They are number 1 in some sort of list.Last edited by Marcel_A; 03-22-2021 at 02:41 AM.
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marcel_a, tired of this discussion. Go troll someone else.
You keep trying to steer away the discussion from the fact that you doubted guns n’ roses was a big act. I provided you with facts that they were huge, and basically still are in 2021.
You provided 0 facts to they weren’t except that you were ‘into music in that period” and we should believe you.
We can only use lists approved by you.
When comparing music video views on youtube you insist we include cat videos.
Yes, cats are bigger then gnr and miles davis combined. Just ... simple ... fact.
We must have made the top of the ‘most idiotic discussion list’ on jazzguitar.be. (Oh no, here I go again with convenient lists)
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That’s not true. They are a big act. Finally we are getting somewhere. They are not huge.
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