For those of you saying 45W SS is enough

**pingu** · 02-19-2014, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

he replied that I am shoving my view down his throat.

That constitutes abuse in my book. That is neither constructive nor polite.

yeah right jack , pukkaj wrote this

Don't try to shove more watts down the throats of people who clearly state they don't feel the need to

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then he said that he was happy with his amp
setup which is fine in itself ...but it doesn't help anyone else does it ?

I 'm sorry about the grow up thing
that was cheap

**JazzVocab** · 02-19-2014, 03:05 PM

I've never found anything TC less than amazing...!

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

I have to plug this class D bass amp:

It's not obvious from the knobs, but each of the 4 EQ bands can have its freq centre shifted. From the manual:

Bass: 71Hz to 1120Hz (default 180) -24dB to +15dB
Lo-mid: 100Hz to 1600Hz (default 400) -24dB to +15dB
Hi-mid: 200Hz to 3150Hz (default 800) -24dB to +15dB
Treble: 400Hz to 6300Hz (default 1600) -24dB to +12dB

cool, i remember looking at this on paper when it first came out but never had a chance to investigate. What's the street price?

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 02-19-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

cool, i remember looking at this on paper when it first came out but never had a chance to investigate. What's the street price?

$US 700

**kris** · 02-19-2014, 03:54 PM

May be DV 45 watt is a practise amp...

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

$US 700

aguilar might be a better deal. One sweepable tone control and treble is in the right place.

**Jazz_175** · 02-19-2014, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

he replied that I am shoving my view down his throat.

That constitutes abuse in my book. That is neither constructive nor polite.

You are right but that was in reply to what you wrote before , which to me also doesn't sound very polite:

"you've already made it clear that you only play quiet gigs. Ok, for those of us who play in louder situations, we need more power . Thanks for your input. "

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 02-19-2014, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

aguilar might be a better deal. One sweepable tone control and treble is in the right place.

The Aguilar is $500, so a fair bit cheaper, yes indeed.

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jazz_175

You are right but that was in reply to what you wrote before , which to me also doesn't sound very polite:

"you've already made it clear that you only play quiet gigs. Ok, for those of us who play in louder situations, we need more power . Thanks for your input. "

what's wrong with that?

**D.G.** · 02-19-2014, 04:27 PM

Back in the late 80's I played bass in a pop band and would hook up a GK MB100 bass amp to a Peavey 2-15 blackwidow loaded cab. Thunder of the gods! Playing the same amp with its internal 12" speaker was never loud enough though.

These days I have yet to play in a situation where a 15-watt Princeton (loaded with Red Fang 10) isn't loud enough. But then I also keep the volume/tone controls on my guitar cranked open. I also enjoy a bit of grit when really pounding the strings

Many of the swing bands here in Portland use Blue Jr amps. But then, these are swing players and they let the bass player have the bottom end

so not nearly as much headroom is required.

Also, turning down a loud amp will sound different than a smaller amp turned up to the same perceived volume level. It's all to do with how the preamp/amp/speaker reacts together. Guitar speakers have a "sweet spot" where they sound their best, even for clean tones. A high wattage speaker will sound wimpy and "thin" when presented with a very light load, whereas a lower wattage speaker will sound full and present when presented with the same load. And of course, there are lots of tricks amp designers have to move these values around to achieve the desired end result.

The point of this being that you gotta trust your ears, not the spec sheet.

**GuyBoden** · 02-19-2014, 04:44 PM

I have the TC Electronic RH450, I've said this many times, it's a great amp.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

I have to plug this class D bass amp:

It's not obvious from the knobs, but each of the 4 EQ bands can have its freq centre shifted. From the manual:

Bass: 71Hz to 1120Hz (default 180) -24dB to +15dB
Lo-mid: 100Hz to 1600Hz (default 400) -24dB to +15dB
Hi-mid: 200Hz to 3150Hz (default 800) -24dB to +15dB
Treble: 400Hz to 6300Hz (default 1600) -24dB to +12dB

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 05:01 PM

have you guys seen this? 150w pedalboard amp. He wouldn't make it with less than 150W.

http://www.gizmag.com/demeter-mighty-minnie/29289/

For those of you saying 45W SS is enough-mighty-minnie-jpeg

For those of you saying 45W SS is enough-mighty-minnie-jpeg

**2bornot2bop** · 02-19-2014, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

I asked Andy Fuchs to Make me a Fender Vibroverb 1X15" clone of the 1964 model. Kinda like a Headstrong. He won't even attempt to make a tube amp at under 200 watts. When it comes to good clean jazz guitar tone . . it's all about head room.

That's just nuts man. A 35 watt tube amp will produce enough volume to over power any room. A tube amp, depending upon how it's used, will yield far greater volume and performance than a 200 watt SS amp. Folks are going on and on about high powered Class D and ICE amps, which are only the latest craze...Any audiophile will tell you, all power is not created equal. But a tube amp above 200 watts...that's just nuts!!!

**GuyBoden** · 02-19-2014, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

That's just nuts man. A 35 watt tube amp will produce enough volume to over power any room. A tube amp, depending upon how it's used, will yield far greater volume and performance than a 200 watt SS amp. Folks are going on and on about high powered Class D and ICE amps, which are only the latest craze...Any audiophile will tell you, all power is not created equal. But a tube amp above 200 watts...that's just nuts!!!

Yes, the old watt v Decibels conundrum.

Simplified:
"In order for one amplifier to reproduce sound twice as loud as another in Decibels you need 10 times more wattage output. An amplifier rated at 100 WPC is capable of twice the volume level of a 10 WPC amp"

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

That's just nuts man. A 35 watt tube amp will produce enough volume to over power any room. A tube amp, depending upon how it's used, will yield far greater volume and performance than a 200 watt SS amp. Folks are going on and on about high powered Class D and ICE amps, which are only the latest craze...Any audiophile will tell you, all power is not created equal. But a tube amp above 200 watts...that's just nuts!!!

As I said earlier, andy was talking about 200w SS amp, not a 200W tube amp

**2bornot2bop** · 02-19-2014, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick2

Same 40W tube circuitry as the Vibroverb.

Why not have Wayne build you a Verbrovibe? We know how much you like taking road trips...You can drive down to NC to pick it up...just don't get a ticket this time

I told you Lady Rose was the real deal...now look where she is....So follow my lead on this amp...you'll be glad you did. Wayne even built the Verbrovibe with a user friendly biasing screw. But whatever you decide, I'd suggest outfitting it with low noise TAD 7025's...that's 'tube amp doctor' for those of you who don't know tubes.

**GuyBoden** · 02-19-2014, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Why not have Wayne build you a Verbrovibe? We know how much you like taking road trips...You can drive down to NC to pick it up...just don't get a ticket this time

I told you Lady Rose was the real deal...now look where she is....So follow my lead on this amp...you'll be glad you did. Wayne even built the Verbrovibe with a user friendly biasing screw. But whatever you decide, I'd suggest outfitting it with low noise TAD 7025's...that's 'tube amp doctor' for those of you who don't know tubes.

Yes, I have a great Fender Deluxe Reverb, I changed it to 40Watt with new transformers, 6L6s, Speaker etc

**Hjalmiz** · 02-19-2014, 05:30 PM

Wow, thats a cool amp .. I want one.

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

Why not have Wayne build you a Verbrovibe? We know how much you like taking road trips...You can drive down to NC to pick it up...just don't get a ticket this time

I told you Lady Rose was the real deal...now look where she is....So follow my lead on this amp...you'll be glad you did. Wayne even built the Verbrovibe with a user friendly biasing screw. But whatever you decide, I'd suggest outfitting it with low noise TAD 7025's...that's 'tube amp doctor' for those of you who don't know tubes.

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by GuyBoden

Yes, I have a great Fender Deluxe Reverb, I changed it to 40Watt with new transformers, 6L6s, Speaker etc

I've done that before. You have to beef up the power cap filters too. It's easier to just get a pro reverb and upgrade the OT, then you're done. It's already got the right amount of filters though you have to double check in all cases the voltage ratings of the caps because to fully realize 40W you need 450v-475v on the plates of the 6L6 tubes

**GuyBoden** · 02-19-2014, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

I've done that before. You have to beef up the power cap filters too. It's easier to just get a pro reverb and upgrade the OT, then you're done. It's already got the right amount of filters though you have to double check in all cases the voltage ratings of the caps because to fully realize 40W you need 450v-475v on the plates of the 6L6 tubes

Yes, you're correct, I did change the filter caps, but also the tone circuit, then the PCB board, added a switch that drops the voltage, then a switchable solid state rectifier, everything really. I think I got a bit carried away, but I enjoyed the adventure.

**Patrick2** · 02-19-2014, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

That's just nuts man. A 35 watt tube amp will produce enough volume to over power any room. A tube amp, depending upon how it's used, will yield far greater volume and performance than a 200 watt SS amp. Folks are going on and on about high powered Class D and ICE amps, which are only the latest craze...Any audiophile will tell you, all power is not created equal. But a tube amp above 200 watts...that's just nuts!!!

I don't need more volume. I want to make sure I've got enough iron to drive a good low efficiency 15" speaker. Something like a D130 with an Alnico magnet. But, I don't want a re-cone and I don't want a 40 year old cone either. So, it'll take some reasearch. I like the voice of a 15". I has a "soothing" effect on single coil floating pups. I want good clean full tone, all across the spectrum of highs lows and mids. My Fender Pro has a 12" and it certainly doesn't suck. But, a 15" speaker will just offer it a bigger voice. For me, it's not about volume, or break up. If I want to play one of my solid bodies or semis and I want to dial in some break up . . (can't do Larry Carlton's version of Josie without break up

) . . I've got a wonderful 1970 Fender Princeton Reverb that fills that need quite nicely.

**jzucker** · 02-19-2014, 07:00 PM

have you found a decent 15? I think eminence is making a JBL clone now

**coolvinny** · 02-19-2014, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop

That's just nuts man. A 35 watt tube amp will produce enough volume to over power any room. A tube amp, depending upon how it's used, will yield far greater volume and performance than a 200 watt SS amp.

Don't be so sure! Have you tried a Mambo (180w SS)?

**jads57** · 02-19-2014, 07:21 PM

I've found for me at least for Archtops and especially carved tops w/ floaters I prefer solid state vs. tube amps in general. My Roland Cube 80 for example seems to have the right EQ curve and less puffy(lol) tones vs my mesa Boogie Nomad 55 combo. But for thinlines I definitely pre tube amps if given a choice.