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News: for TC Hall Of Fame users, I hear that TC has released their Toneprint Editor, so you can make your own reverbs and download them. The software sounds like it's a bit flakey, especially for Mac users, but still, for tweakers, even more pedal-related fun.
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04-12-2013 11:24 AM
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I have a Flashback X4, and have been using the Editor since it was released. I've created 7 different toneprints (delays) of my own. I haven't much problem with the software, but some people have, both Mac and PC. w/o the Editor, I probably would have returned the FBX4 and kept the El Capistan, but since the editor works for me, and is so powerful, I sold the El Cap.
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I have experience with the H of F and Hardwire RV7.
I bought the HoF first and I really loved the verbs with the exception of the spring which I thought was borderline. I downloaded Steve Morse's spring tone print which moved that one up to good but not great. But who cares when the rest of them were so awesome. I also loved the tiny footprint. Then it started making weird noises, either a ringing feedback or a motor boating sound. Wasn't the amp. I finally figured out that it had something to do with unplugging the power supply when the pedal was on as I was farting around re-arranging drive pedals on my board. I checked with TGP and a few other people had teh same issue. I also had the buffer engaged so maybe that was a part of the issue. It went back within the 30 day trial period. next I picked up the RV7. It sounds very nice. The mod verb isn't as lush as the HoF but the spring is better. The hall and room are pretty much equivalent. One thing, the RV7 is massive compared to the HoF. And no Toneprint. So, I thought the overall tone of the HoF and size made it a clear winner but I can't have dodgy gear as I do play out. HoF is cheaper to by $9.
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Speaking of Digitech, I had one of the older Digiverbs, and it actually had a GREAT spring setting, all the settings were good. But it was a tone sucker due to whatever buffer they were using at the time, unfortunately- or I'd still have it.
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The RV-7 Spring setting is very good and the Supernatural is supposed to be even better. They are both probably much better at preserving tone than the Digiverb was.
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+1 on the TC Electronics Hall of Fame. Of course, now I have to look into the tone print..
Originally Posted by FrankLearns
Last edited by Spook410; 04-12-2013 at 10:50 PM.
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Thread CPR.
Picked up a used Lexicon mx400. It does surround reverb but the very short ambience reverb is brilliant. It sounds so natural I hit bypass fist time to check it was working. Got a HOF too but don't like it anymore
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This wasn't directed at me but i can share my experience. The Supernatural (RV-7 w/ different patches) have decent spring reverbs. Honestly the best sounding Fender tank is the Boss FRV-1. It is incredibly accurate. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
At one time i had the Hall of Fame, Hardwire RV-1, Supernatural, Wampler Faux Spring, and Spring Theory to compare. The Boss was the only one that reproduced the EQ curve, particular attack and decay, and "drip" of a Fender tank. The others sounded like a spring, but too linear and regular i guess. It truly sounds like a Fender tank and blew me away. Try one before you make your decision. If you are in the US i could send you mine to try. I was using it on an amp that had no reverb but no longer have the amp.
Great ones:
- TC Hall of Fame / Trinity: set and forget lush ambient and big long tail reverbs (or short ones)
- Eventide Space: for the absolute reverb junky who wants crazy fidelity (through your amp or direct to mixer) and every modulation imaginable
- Boss FRV-1: The most accurate Fender spring emulation. hands down great sound.
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missed it the second time around, but to address jorge's question: i liked the supernatural a lot. it wasn't any worse (or better) than the flint (or dr scientist) at hall and spring reverbs. i eventually sold it off because it had name value and i was able to move it. it was expendable because i simply did not use any of the modulated reverbs. i liked it more than the ehx holy grail plus that replaced it on my 3rd string "jazz" board, but nobody wanted to buy that, so it stayed (pretty good pedal, though, so i didn't mind so much).
i ended up with the dr scientist mini reverberator on the nano and the flint on the ptjr. i was going to add a dr scientist to the larger board to do a ampy/crazy reverb setup, but now strymon has a favorite/tap switch for the flint, so i don't need to. i'll pick one of those up, eventually.
if you think about it a certain way, the flint isn't a bad deal- $150 per effect. for what you're getting, that's pretty good. the trems are very good, and you can change the effect order if you're anal about that sort of thing. i actually prefer the dr scientist for "normal" reverb and the flint for the crazy ambient stuff, but that's personal, not an indication of sound quality. note that the dr scientist does not have spring, but gives you a neat leslie setting and a clean boost, which is handy if you have a longer pedal chain. its also small and butt simple to use- a rotary dial to pick your reverb and a mix knob. there are nine of them in there and the differences are kind of subtle but if you listen you can really appreciate them.
i suppose i can throw out a quick plug for the eqd dispatch master, which is a modulated reverb/delay two in one. i like that one a lot, but its much more spacey and ambient than ampy. you can use either or both together, so it saved me some space on the nano. i suppose it is comparable to a wet, which i've never tried.
that was my reverb journey. and i'm glad its over.
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Update: for guys who like it simple or have a limit on pedalboard area, TC has released a Hall of fame mini:
It has a USB port so you can download any reverb toneprint onto it, so it's unlimited in that dimension, but I would prefer some more knobs, like a dry/wet mix.
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Hi Spiral! Originally Posted by spiral
Thanks a lot for answering. My rig has changed a little since then... I now have two boards with quite different purposes. One has an HOF which I think is the best for a nice subtle verb - given price / size / toneprint functions / 9v ma requirements. The other currently has an RV7 which I got for a very good price used - it's a nice reverb but too big and does not excel and anything particular inmho... For a general reverb I like the HOF much more.
These days I've been leaning for more old school sounds and looking more and more for a good spring reverb. I play in a more modern fashion but I use an archtop and adding an analog delay and a spring reverb helps making my sound ambiguous, which I like. Because of that I was thinking of replacing the RV7 with a Spring Theory which in theory has all I need - an excellent digital reverb (from room to hall) and an excellent spring one... The Boss sounds good but 1) I have very bad experience with Boss pedals when it comes to tone preservation and that is very important for me 2) only doing spring kills it for me because sometimes I will need a non-spring reverb.
So.. did you though the Spring Theory was that far from the Boss? It sounds amazing trough clips.
PS - Thanks for your kind offer but I am in Portugal
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Thanks a lot for your reply feet. Between the supernatural and the srping theory I am leaning to the latter these days... The Flint seems great but I don't need tremolo, my board power supply doesn't do 300ma and it's expensive. The RRR seems great but too confusing honestly... Originally Posted by feet
I had a Dispatch Master. Wonderful pedal... I don't get why brands don't invest more in delay / reverb in one pedal, I think there is a high demand for that (I bet the DM is a cash cow for EQD). But.. the reverb is too spacey for me, even at low settings. And the delay too bright... If they released a new version of it with a subtle reverb and a dark delay I would be all over it
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In Europe price difference is 15€ between the regular HOF (125) and the Mini (110) - at Thomann at least. Honestly I don't think this was a very smart move for TC... unless size is OF THE ESSENCE the regular HOF is a much better deal - it's still very small and you get much more controls and much more reverb types for just 15€ extra. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
Update: for guys who like it simple or have a limit on pedalboard area, TC has released a Hall of fame mini:
It has a USB port so you can download any reverb toneprint onto it, so it's unlimited in that dimension, but I would prefer some more knobs, like a dry/wet mix.
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The TonePrint Editor makes the Hall of Fame the best reverb pedal [I've] ever [encountered]. When the TonePrint Editor for iPad is released, it and the Hall of Fame will be the most versatile and easy to use tool for crafting reverb to live/gig spaces.
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The Flint is a wonderful, well built and simple pedal. If you can afford it that is what I would recommend.
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Oh, I assumed it would be 1/2 price or so. Not worth it at that price difference. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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I've used the Toneprint a lot on the Flashback - it turned a very nice delay pedal into a limitless pedal. I just "designed" a patch that sounds a lot like a Carbon Copy (very dark) but with flanger instead of Chorus. I briefly tried to do the same with the HOF but I found "designing" reverbs much harder... but I like Steve Morses's Toneprints so much I don't even care
And any new Toneprint that comes out is almost a new pedal.
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Exactly. At an 70€ / 80€ price point it would have been brilliant. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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the flint does come with its own supply. i haven't tried it with any of my fuel tanks, but it wasn't compelled by a one spot, i can tell you that much. once you go through the settings and pick out the ones that you like, the rrr couldn't be simpler. i leave it set to long reverb with the boost off because i have an ep booster behind it and dial in the mix depending on the mood and venue. it almost seems more like a studio delay in that the differences between the settings are pretty subtle and won't make a huge difference live, but are noticeable if you're recording. i think you get room, hall and plate verbs, with warm/bright variations. its pretty set and forget for me. i like its straightforwardness and prefer it to the flint in general, spring notwithstanding. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
i didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but i think the reason the delay is bright is because the verb is so spacey- it wouldn't cut through otherwise. in general, i also prefer a darker reverb but i couldn't fit a second one on there, so it stays. i might have preferred to have an ehx delay on the board as well, but the dispatch master serves me well. it isn't a bad delay by any means. i only dial in the reverb for the outer space stuff, otherwise, its just a delay going into the dr scientist. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
I had a Dispatch Master. Wonderful pedal... I don't get why brands don't invest more in delay / reverb in one pedal, I think there is a high demand for that (I bet the DM is a cash cow for EQD). But.. the reverb is too spacey for me, even at low settings. And the delay too bright... If they released a new version of it with a subtle reverb and a dark delay I would be all over it
my delay journey was longer and sadder than the reverb (and overdrive) ones. my big board has a belle epoch and a jack deville dark echo on it. you should go back in time and buy one of those if you like darker delays- its so dark and soupy its almost like reverb. such a unique and subtle thing. failing that, a deluxe memory boy or a carbon copy might be in your future. i have a memory toy which i think is super cool but it has pretty low headroom, so it doesn't get used much. sounds awesome with dirt, though.
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Yeah but I want to power everything with my tank, which means 9v 120ma is the limit... The RRR is for sure great but I am looking for a simpler pedal this time, I am confident the ST will do what I want.
My delay journey has been simple since TC released the toneprint editor - I designed my own toneprint and I am very happy with it. This weekend I got a Maleko 616 - I needed a delay for my second board and also a backup delay for the flashback, but I wanted it cheap. This one appeared very cheap second hand and I got it, sounds pretty good... The ones you mention seem great but too expensive for what I need.
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not that you should (or should want to) but i believe you can buy a cable for the fuel tanks that takes up two jacks but supplies 18v. my fuel tank jr is full, and my fuel tank chameleon gives you one 18v jack, which is already in use. but it may be an option if you want more headroom from your reverbs, if they allow it; not all do.
funny we have this chat today, because apparently, this is about to exsist:
why don't i just sell off all my guitars and just play pedals?
not really tempted, but still.
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Yeah but my two boards have 5 pedals so I am really limited in the daisy chain department.. and these pedals have some trouble with that sometime.
Those big Strymon pedals scare me... the price, the size and the possibilites. I am perfectly happy with a simple 3-knob reverb and 4 or 5 different verbs
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Like Soco, I love my Eventide Space but this is maybe overkill for jazz guitar as it can do lots of weird stuff. But I know I'll never need another. Also, it's stereo, which I find useful.
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The Space is basically a rack-level quality effect in a pedal with the footprint to match. For those that find it too big, and also want to sometimes use all 4 of the Eventide pedal series they offer this: Originally Posted by dslee
https://www.eventide.com/AudioDivisi...pBoxes/H9.aspx
They offer wireless Bluetooth librarian / editor control from phones or USB from computers.
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Had a TC HOF
Good points
- small foot print
- really nice reverb sounds except spring
- Toneprint lets you download the settings of some great players
- Good price
Bad points
- spring reverb
- DEAL KILLER (for me) I got this weird motor-boating thing happening when I used it with 2 other pedals using a BOSS PSA1 power supply. Guys told me that if I used a good power supply with isolated outputs like a Voodoo lab I wouldn't have this problem. But I didn't want to pay $180 for a PS to power up a $150 TC HOF.
- So I returned the HOF and got a Hardwire RV7 which works fine with the BOSS PS. It has a better spring reverb, is a little more money, and is a little larger. But I like it. I do miss the "church" setting on the HOF.
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