New Guitar Purchase - Samick Greg Bennet Lassalle Jz4

[garybaldy]

My guy mentioned orange drops on the phone today.

Don't mention capacitors! It could turn nasty!

[garybaldy]

Think about jazz melodic minor...:-)

And deep slow breathing

[Cunamara]

Capacitors? CaPAcitors!?!? Did someone say CAPACITORS!!!??? *

Actually, it's pretty simple- the standard practice for humbucker pickups is 500K pots and 0.022 µF capacitors. With this pickup, that will probably give you a bright and clear sound, if that's what you're going for. Think, say, the tone of Johnny Smith. Although Johnny used mini humbucker sized pickups with just a volume control, no tone control at all. He managed that at the amp.

If you want dark and smoky, I would suggest consulting with your tech about that. 0.047 µF cap and/or 250K pots could be worth considering for the latter. But your comments upthread suggest you are really looking for a bright and clear tone, as per kris's recommendation. And if you decide they're too bright, the cap can always be changed. You're not locked into this particular set up for the rest of your days.



* For any who might not already know, capacitors are a contentious point of Internet argument and millions of electrons have been spilled debating them. Some people believe that the only thing that matters in terms of the capacitor's impact on tone is its electrical value; others believe there are subtle or large differences between different kinds of capacitors (paper-in-oil, ceramic, mica, polyester, polypropylene, etc. Not to mention modern, vintage, reproduction, etc.). You can spend $0.50 on a capacitor or $50 and only your ears will be able to tell the difference, if any. Orange Drops are well regarded and are usually recommended by technicians because it's a safe recommendation. Probably no one is ecer going to say "you put Orange Drops in my guitar? You ruined my tone, man!" They are a standard. I've used them in many guitars and they work just fine.

[SOLR]

The person who mounts Pots and Caps in the guitar with mini humbucker should be known.
Mini Humbucer has more Treblle than the standard Humbucer.
500K pots and .022uF orange drop caps-it is a standard.You can combine with others.

You could have it all at the flip of a dip switch and it's made in Florida.

• Engage a resistor to drop the pot loading from 500k to 250k
• Built-in treble bleed may be engaged (when used as a volume control)
• Choose from seven built-in capacitor values (when used as a tone control)

: CTS 500k/250k Audio/Log Push-Pull Pot, Solder-Free
– ToneShapers

Highly recommended in a new instrument mod.Of course, you'd need to have access to the switch thru a back plate or. for testing at the shop until you decide which setting you prefer.

S

[guitarvegas]

You could have it all at the flip of a dip switch and it's made in Florida.

• Engage a resistor to drop the pot loading from 500k to 250k
• Built-in treble bleed may be engaged (when used as a volume control)
• Choose from seven built-in capacitor values (when used as a tone control)

: CTS 500k/250k Audio/Log Push-Pull Pot, Solder-Free
– ToneShapers

Highly recommended in a new instrument mod.Of course, you'd need to have access to the switch thru a back plate or. for testing at the shop until you decide which setting you prefer.

S

I think I am getting one of these for my volume control. He asked me if I like to have better tone control when adjusting the volume while playing, as not to lose any tonal qualities as you decrease the volume. I think this is the thing he was describing to me. Well, cool!

[garybaldy]

I think I am getting one of these for my volume control. He asked me if I like to have better tone control when adjusting the volume while playing, as not to lose any tonal qualities as you decrease the volume. I think this is the thing he was describing to me. Well, cool!

He's probably referring to 50s or modern wiring. Both very simple and cheap. You'll find your tone with either.

[guitarvegas]

Other important things are also influenced by the whole instrument's sound.Wood of the guitar and costruction,setting height of pick up,strings,bridge/ebony or rosewood/,tailpiece/wooden or metal/,nut/bone or plastic//,frets,volume of pick up,amp-jazz amp,playing technique/fingers or pick/ and ears of playing jazz guitarist.good luckKris

Thanks. This is already the greatest guitar I have personally ever touched. My search is over.
Now, the rest is up to me....but I can tell you that things are shaping up for me. This jazz blues workout in all 12 keys, has been the greatest thing I have ever involved myself in, musically. My teacher asked me to do a jazz blues in every key...that was 2 months ago. I said sure, but this will take me some time. And it has been so rewarding for me. I still have 3 keys to do. I spend time with each one for about 4 or 5 days....just trying, and listening to others, and gathering info, analysis, and applying what I absorbed. It is awesome....why didn't I do this a decade ago? I finally figured out that structure in my routine is my best foot forward.

[guitarvegas]

This is "the stuff", right here...the good stuff. Whatever strings are strung on my guitar right now are rather "sticky", which is kind of weird.

And this forum seems to turn all of my photos 90 degrees which is also rather strange. That's all for right now.

[garybaldy]

This is "the stuff", right here...the good stuff. Whatever strings are strung on my guitar right now are rather "sticky", which is kind of weird.

And this forum seems to turn all of my photos 90 degrees which is also rather strange. That's all for right now.

My photos are always turned on their side here. I turn the subject 90° clockwise before I take the pic.
Re the TI 13s, on some guitars, I find the thinner gauge bass strings (compared to other sets) too slack.

[guitarvegas]

What does make jazz blues in all keys?
Does this mean that you can play very well, e.g. jazz blues in F ....?

I am currently exploring every key, as was asked of me by the new teacher I found. Can I play well, you ask? I don't know, Not for me to say. I know when I like something that I do....I just feel that this task has been the best thing for me, possibly ever.

[wintermoon]

ed in one key and then try in other keys.
I understand it this way:
If you don't play it well in one key, you won't play it in another key,

exactly, nothing against your teacher but asking you to play in 12 keys sounds more than a bit ambitious for a beginner
but best of luck

[guitarvegas]

exactly, nothing against your teacher but asking you to play in 12 keys sounds more than a bit ambitious for a beginner but best of luck

I never sat down to do it before, I was jumping right into jazz standards without any real chops or direction. He said if you cannot play a jazz blues, then you won't be able to play any standard.....part of the foundational building blocks of developing a vocabulary for each of the keys is essential. So it has been such a great experience, and I can honestly say that it has been two months and I still have 2 keys remaining. It has already been a tremendous study with some pay off, before even getting to lesson #1.

[guitarvegas]

BTW, I ordered the wrong Thomastik strings....I got 13 - 53 rounds! Oh no!
I called the guy and he is getting me what I really need. Tha k God that worked out, because they are not exactly cheap strings either.

[wintermoon]

I never sat down to do it before, I was jumping right into jazz standards without any real chops or direction. He said if you cannot play a jazz blues, then you won't be able to play any standard.....part of the foundational building blocks of developing a vocabulary for each of the keys is essential. So it has been such a great experience, and I can honestly say that it has been two months and I still have 2 keys remaining. It has already been a tremendous study with some pay off, before even getting to lesson #1.

what kind of experience/credentials does your teacher have?
if you don't know the actual notes/theory that you're playing in just one key and just winging it like before, well, you were already doing that before hiring him...
but again, good luck!

[SOLR]

BTW, I ordered the wrong Thomastik strings....I got 13 - 53 rounds! Oh no!
I called the guy and he is getting me what I really need. Tha k God that worked out, because they are not exactly cheap strings either.

Tried to post about that all day but post would not register.....weird

Glad you sorted that out before the guitar was strung up at luthier.

s

[guitarvegas]

what kind of experience/credentials does your teacher have?if you don't know the actual notes/theory that you're playing in just one key and just winging it like before, well, you were already doing that before hiring him...but again, good luck!

I have been getting a lot better these past few months. Not winging anything.....everything I have done has been done with intellectual thought, and a few days of study for each key (some of them 5 days). Some keys were difficult for me, because they were keys that I rarely if ever, played in. Others felt much more familiar. It is different than before....but you don't need to believe me.

[wintermoon]

I have been getting a lot better these past few months. Not winging anything.....everything I have done has been done with intellectual thought, and a few days of study for each chord. It is different than before....but you don't need to believe me.

Me believing isn't important, If someone pointed to a spot on the board would you instantly know what that note is?
you need to know the notes on the fingerboard and how they relate to chords etc
but if you're happy w your progress that's all that matters, enjoy.....

[guitarvegas]

Me believing isn't important, If someone pointed to a spot on the board would you instantly know what that note is?you need to know the notes on the fingerboard and how they relate to chords etc but if you're happy w your progress that's all that matters, enjoy.....

I think it is good for me, but also will be a gauge for my teacher to have a great sense of where I'm at, I am sure learning the notes will come at some point, not long from now, and everything else fundamentally important

My teacher also informed me that this is a test for all of his new students...if they complain that they don't want to do this pre-lesson work, then he knows right away that he has no time for them. No BS.

The guitar is absolutely WONDERFUL by the way.

[guitarvegas]

Tried to post about that all day but post would not register.....weird

Glad you sorted that out before the guitar was strung up at luthier.

s

That's okay. Thanks for trying to warn me.

[Cunamara]

Me believing isn't important, If someone pointed to a spot on the board would you instantly know what that note is?
you need to know the notes on the fingerboard and how they relate to chords etc
but if you're happy w your progress that's all that matters, enjoy.....

Well, he has to start somewhere as we all did. It'd be a pretty boring exercise to just spend the first year memorizing all the notes on the neck without learning how to play anything. Learning to play a blues progression through all 12 keys is pretty fundamental to playing the instrument. That oughta tell him where all the notes are. I don't know how you learned, but the I-IV-V was the first chord progression my guitar teacher introduced me to 45 years ago. Feeling like you're making some progress is pretty essential to maintaining the motivation to learn the instrument.

[wintermoon]

Well, he has to start somewhere as we all did. It'd be a pretty boring exercise to just spend the first year memorizing all the notes on the neck without learning how to play anything. Learning to play a blues progression through all 12 keys is pretty fundamental to playing the instrument. That oughta tell him where all the notes are. I don't know how you learned, but the I-IV-V was the first chord progression my guitar teacher introduced me to 45 years ago. Feeling like you're making some progress is pretty essential to maintaining the motivation to learn the instrument.

Fair enough but I didn't set the lesson, he said his teacher wanted him to start out by learning the blues in every key.
That's a bit daunting for a beginner that doesn't know the notes on a fingerboard after being strictly an ear musician up til now.
How can you play anything w out that basic knowledge?

[Al Haig]

I would say it's probably best to start with every key. It's slow going, but that's the reason you don't want to put it off til later. It takes experience in every key to build fluency.

[Grigoris]

I would imagine that it's a lot more practical at jam sessions and obtainable as a realistic goal to learn a (jazz) blues in F, one in Bb and a minor blues in Cm

And that there is already a LOT of work for a beginner...

[Grigoris]

It's just that people have blind spots, as discussed in the Jimmy Bruno thread, and they think that just because Joe Pass or Jimmy Bruno or whoever can play like that it's therefore attainable to them also and don't you know that there are "world class guitarists" in every town who just didn't make it because of tough luck.

Mastering one 251 lick, integrating it into your vocabulary and knowing where to place it in a jazz blues without sounding forced, is already the result of many months of intense work...

[guitarvegas]

Fair enough but I didn't set the lesson, he said his teacher wanted him to start out by learning the blues in every key.
That's a bit daunting for a beginner that doesn't know the notes on a fingerboard after being strictly an ear musician up til now.
How can you play anything w out that basic knowledge?

You do know that before I stumbled into jazz, I was playing nothing but Hendrix and Chicago blues for 10 years, right? Not jazz blues, but pure blues. I am not coming at this from scratch at all.