The Real Book B flat vs. C Standard version

[pamosmusic]

Good point. Yes, I am aware of it. It seems all songs in the backing tracks are like that. I tried "ALL BLUES", and it was playing G7 in the C version rather than A7 in Bb version.

So, all the backing tracks seem to be playing in the key of the C version. But it is included in Bb version. I couldn't find any C version with the backing track for sale. Hence buying them both was a good idea, if backing tracks are also needed. Must admit they are excellent backing tracks.

Youre misunderstanding… theyre all playing the same key. Transposing instruments are just tuned differently. If you tell a Bb trumpet player to play an A, you will hear the note a guitarist calls G.

It’s like how Slash would tune his guitar down a half step. He forms a G chord, he calls it a G chord. The sound that comes out is actually a Gb and if you read a tab of November Rain without tuning down to Eb standard, you will sound bad with the recording.

The keyboard player would need to play music actually written in Eb. They’re not playing different music. They’re playing the same music, written differently to achieve the sound the group wants.

So you either need to tune differently or understand the transposition

[pamosmusic]

Why?

A relic from forever ago, but also facilitates multi instrumentalists
across common instrument groups.

For example a soprano sax and a bari sax make different sounds when playing the same keys. They transpose differently though, so that the written note will always require the same fingering. C# is always wide open, even though the sound that comes out will be different. That means you can reasonably ask your Alto 1 to grab soprano in a way you can’t always get away with asking your guitarist to grab a uke

[GBRow]

Youre misunderstanding… theyre all playing the same key. Transposing instruments are just tuned differently. If you tell a Bb trumpet player to play an A, you will hear the note a guitarist calls G.

It’s like how Slash would tune his guitar down a half step. He forms a G chord, he calls it a G chord. The sound that comes out is actually a Gb and if you read a tab of November Rain without tuning down to Eb standard, you will sound bad with the recording.

The keyboard player would need to play music actually written in Eb. They’re not playing different music. They’re playing the same music, written differently to achieve the sound the group wants.

So you either need to tune differently or understand the transposition

I am not sure if my post was unclear. I have now edited C version to "The C Real Book", and Bb version to "The Bb Real Book". I hope my post is clearer after the editing.

[pamosmusic]

I am not sure if my post was unclear. I have now edited C version to "The C Real Book", and Bb version to "The Bb Real Book". I hope my post is clearer after the editing.

Doesnt really change the content of the post. There is no Bb version of the backing track. It would be the same. So you need to be playing the C changes on every tune to be playing with the backing track.

[GBRow]

There is no Bb version of the backing track.

That was what my post was saying.

[Rob MacKillop]

Tune your guitar a tone lower when you read the Bb version, then all will be good.

or is it a tone higher…

my brain hurts!

[GBRow]

Tune your guitar a tone lower when you read the Bb version, then all will be good.

I have several MIC MIK no-name strats and teles for practicing. And that's what I was going to do with one of them.

[grahambop]

Yes tuning a whole tone lower is correct for the Bb book, then your guitar will imitate what the trumpet/tenor sax do, i.e. when you play a C, a Bb is sounded.

All the real books (C, Bb, Eb) will use the same backing tracks because whatever the books say, the notes produced (using the correct transposing instrument for each book) will be correct in relation to concert pitch.

[Sigmund451]

The simple solution unless your an advanced player who just loves to trasnpose for fun and games is to only pay attention to the C book. Just ignore the other ones. Since you did a download of the C tunings in different volumes you have all you need. Of course there are other fake books also in C that can be found if you search the web (The Bob Book for instance). Its nice to have a couple of versions of the same song (in the same tuning).

[Christian Miller]

Get the C book.

Why is this even a thread?


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[Rob MacKillop]

I recall Ornette saying he played from a C edition, which introduced him to outside playing…either that or I was on drugs…

[GBRow]

When this thread started, I had no Real Book at all, and was wondering the difference between the C and Bb version of the book.

Now I have both C and Bb version of the book, and they are both seem nice to have them.
The Bb version came with the backing track, so it was the merit of its arrival.

This thread is not about which version of The Real Book is better.

[Christian Miller]

When this thread started, I had no Real Book at all, and was wondering the difference between the C and Bb version of the book.

Now I have both C and Bb version of the book, and they are both seem nice to have them.
The Bb version came with the backing track, so it was the merit of its arrival.

This thread is not about which version of The Real Book is better. Some folks seem to be posting with no understanding of what is going in the thread.

Fair

But also the answer is, get it in C.

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[pamosmusic]

This thread is not about which version of The Real Book is better.

Thats because neither is better. They are the same thing written for different instruments. One is written for your instrument. The other is not.

[pamosmusic]

Get the C book.

Why is this even a thread?


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A great question.

[grahambop]

Fair

But also the answer is, get it in C.

or buy a trumpet.

[pamosmusic]

or buy a trumpet.

definitely not a clarinet

[grahambop]

Bass clarinet is nice.

[Palomorado]

If you tune your guitar down one whole step:

(low to high strings)

D - G - C - F - A - D

But still think of the notes in "standard" on the fingerboard then "VOILA!" your guitar is now a Bb instrument!

[Rob MacKillop]

As was mentioned above

[Palomorado]

As was mentioned above

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