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Simplistically, I think that adding approach notes allowed players to play chord tones on the down beats, 1 and 3. Obviously, it has become more and more complex over the years.
Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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03-15-2025 05:34 PM
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I mean it was more complicated than that 300 years ago.
Originally Posted by GuyBoden
One important distinction between jazz and European music is jazz has upbeats baked into its basic rhythmic matrix - such as in the clave - while for western music subversion on the down beat/up beat is always going against the grain.
If you put a chromatic neighbour tone on the beat in classical music the effect will always be tension, whereas in jazz this isn’t always true.
As much as I like the forward motion concept I think this is an important thing that it doesn’t really cover.
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We're still trying to catch up with Bach.
Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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I don’t know that putting a chromatic note on the beat is any less tension in jazz, but rather its an accepted and even expected tension. The music of the time reflects/conveys the tension of the time.
Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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'Enclosures' are mentioned in "David Baker's - How to Play Bebop 1 on Page 9". (A very, very, extremely popular Jazz book.)
Originally Posted by Bob_Ross
Published 1st Jan 1988 by Alfred Publishing Company.
See extract scan from my copy of the book below:
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That’s kind of what makes tension — being unexpected or less generally acceptable.
Originally Posted by cmajor9
If it’s quiet at the dinner table because that’s how people like to eat, there’s no tension. If it’s quiet at the dinner table because your little brother just said something profane, then there’s tension.
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When I was learning improvisational music (jazz), it seemed that everyone I knew had two books that were a given and what became of that after was up to the individual. There was a time when the ear was the judge that established legitimacy. Coltrane, Ayler, Burton, Mick Goodrick, Cecil Taylor, Baker, Bill Evans, Carla Bley, Steve Swallow and so many more all acknowledged their roots in the same wellspring.
The books that were on their shelves? Walter Piston and Vincent Persichetti.
These days I don't hear those names at all. But they'll always be my go to.
The ornamental melodic devices within those books are not only relevant to today's contemporary music, but they open doors up for the inquiring mind to the deep history of western classical music and the many layers of hidden gems just waiting to be tapped. I learned the language from Archie Shepp and he never shied away from citing Piston and Persichetti whether you called them enclosures or appogituras, or "Chromatic licks" or melodic phrases and approach tones.
But one thing I've noticed, before institutional music schools made the improvisational language a quantifiable study with its own criteria of legitimacy, musicians learned from as broad a sphere of influence as they could and the "final grades" were based on how well you could defend your own sound.
If you listen enough, you'll start to hear it. If you hear it, you can start to play it. If you impart your own human feel to it, you can convey. If that sounds good, it is good.
This process takes patience and devotion.
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In jazz it basically depends
Originally Posted by cmajor9
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Thanks so much for all this useful information folks - rest assured I'm appreciative of the knowledge-base here & am so grateful you're all so willing to share.
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