Jimmy Raney Lesson?

[j.l]

Going through some old forum posts (man, there's so much useful info here!), I've come across a couple of references to an old recording of Jimmy Raney giving a lesson, and talking through one of the solos in his Aebersold book. I'm really enjoying plugging away at the Aebersold solos, and would love to hear this lesson—I'd be very grateful if anyone had a way to share it!

[nyc chaz]

If you dig Jimmy Raney you should definitely check out his book https://www.shermusic.com/9781883217853.php

[j.l]

Thanks—I've read it through a few times at this point and am working on getting the vocab chapter into my playing. Though of course it's going to take years to really internalize it! Such a good resource. What bits have you (or others) found most helpful?

[AllanAllen]

These are priceless

[Rob MacKillop]

Inspired by this thread, I just bought the Doug Raney book on his father’s playing. I’m certain I’ll never play like Jimmy, but it will be a thought-provoking read, for sure.

[sgcim]

Inspired by this thread, I just bought the Doug Raney book on his father’s playing. I’m certain I’ll never play like Jimmy, but it will be a thought-provoking read, for sure.

You mean Jon Raney's book, not Doug Raney's.

[Rob MacKillop]

It’s all so complicated!

Edit: It’s never Raney but it pours…

[grahambop]

Going through some old forum posts (man, there's so much useful info here!), I've come across a couple of references to an old recording of Jimmy Raney giving a lesson, and talking through one of the solos in his Aebersold book. I'm really enjoying plugging away at the Aebersold solos, and would love to hear this lesson—I'd be very grateful if anyone had a way to share it!

Here's a link to it, I think the tune discussed is 'Nowhere' (= Out of Nowhere) from his Aebersold book.

Dropbox - 409

[j.l]

You're a legend, Graham—thank you!

[AllanAllen]

Here's a link to it, I think the tune discussed is 'Nowhere' (= Out of Nowhere) from his Aebersold book.

Dropbox - 409

Can I upload this to youtube for more people to hear?

[Rob MacKillop]

[the book just arrived...I might be gone some time]

[Mick-7]

It’s all so complicated!

It gets worse... the son who wrote the book on his father's playing does not play guitar, the son who did play guitar wrote no books.

[the book just arrived... I might be gone some time]

I've had it for months and have gotten no farther than the table of contents.

[grahambop]

Can I upload this to youtube for more people to hear?

I'm not sure about that, I assume this was recorded by a student for private use and that Jimmy Raney may not have given permission for it to go beyond that. Of course that would not particularly affect him now.

Having said that, I think his son Jon Raney is quite proprietorial about Jimmy's legacy and he may not be too keen on it being widely available. I don't want complaints aimed at my youtube channel, so that's why I only linked it here (also it has been posted here before, albeit only temporarily, so there is a precedent).

So honest answer is, I don't really know.

(If Jon Raney doesn't like it being here, I would of course remove it.)

[j.l]

[the book just arrived...I might be gone some time]

Interested to know what you think. For one like me who's just sorting out bebop vocabulary for the first time in a serious way, Chapter 8 has been an absolute goldmine. My sense of reading it, though, is that as I get more comfortable with the idiom, the more conceptual stuff in the first two parts and Ch. 9 will become the real heart of it.


Yes, it is interesting that Jon is a piano rather than guitar player. I've actually found that that's made it a lot easier to pair up with the Barry Harris stuff that I've mostly been focusing on for the last year or so.

[AllanAllen]

I'm not sure about that, I assume this was recorded by a student for private use and that Jimmy Raney may not have given permission for it to go beyond that. Of course that would not particularly affect him now.

Having said that, I think his son Jon Raney is quite proprietorial about Jimmy's legacy and he may not be too keen on it being widely available. I don't want complaints aimed at my youtube channel, so that's why I only linked it here (also it has been posted here before, albeit only temporarily, so there is a precedent).

So honest answer is, I don't really know.

(If Jon Raney doesn't like it being here, I would of course remove it.)

Seems like it's best that Jon Raney puts it up on his own channel if he wishes it to be public.

[sgcim]

You're a legend, Graham—thank you!

I tell you many times, Graham King of the Internest!

[Christian Miller]

Hail!


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[grahambop]

Not a salaried position unfortunately, I intend to raise that at the next annual review.

[grahambop]

I haven’t listened to that Raney lesson for a while, but as I recall a lot of his advice is about making 8th-note lines more interesting by accenting them into odd note groupings (e.g. units of 3), creating irregular rhythms, starting/ending in unexpected places, etc.

Interesting that he presumably noticed this in Parker’s playing (there’s a video where he said he learned everything from trying to put Bird’s lines onto the guitar) and really emphasised it in his own playing.

Whereas a lot of players (e.g. Sonny Stitt) developed great lines under Bird’s influence but didn’t pick up his rhythmic stuff so much.

Credit to Jimmy Raney for that, it’s one reason I loved his playing as soon as I heard it.

(I think he discusses this in his Aebersold book too, and the solos are designed to incorporate these ideas.)