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I love practicing but I also love sleep. I find it very unfortunate I can't combine the two activities together. However from my own 'researching' (aka scouring youtube videos) I found there may be some hope to this perfection of an idea. Behold
In short, using external stimuli while sleeping can help you improve what you learned during the day like sound or smell. Using rosemary incense in particular can improve memory while asleep and during the waking hours.
Anywho, someone should make an electronic glove that trains ones finger movements while asleep. I guess there is lucid dreaming too.
Anyone got any more ideas?
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02-19-2025 10:36 AM
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I slept my way through Berklee.
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I do my best playing in my sleeping hours. When I wake up, I still sound like crap. I guess I'm not sleeping enough.
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This is over-optimization. You'll get more development if you set a 45 minute routine and stick to it every day. You'll do even better if you pair it with 30 minutes of a cardio workout, even better if you eat carrots instead of potato chips and rice instead of white bread, water instead of alcohol.... See where I'm going with this? Dedicated achievable daily practice alongside a healthy lifestyle will help you more than sleeping alongside a metronome.
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Yeah while we were dating my wife fell asleep to a metronome pretty much every night, but she didn't get any better at playing jazz.
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If I brought a metronome to the bedroom, my wife would leave me without a single measure of a whole rest.
...heyyyyy, then I can buy more guitars?!!!
I'm starting to see what's really going on here.
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I tried sleeping with a guitar a couple of times but I found it hogs on more space than I like to admit. I should be doing all the hogging darn it!
Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
Makes sense. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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My audience often falls asleep... maybe they're learning from me?!
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Well..this takes "multi-tasking" to a much higher plane ..
I worked for a company that stressed the multi task life..even on lunch/dinner breaks.."..read the clients financial reports for the current month during your lunch breaks.."
It was not just the task that motivated me to search for a less life consuming work environs..it was the ultra-serious attitude that covered all aspects of
the work performed.
Im sure if they could have you perform a work related task while you slept..bet they would do it..and bet heavy.
and yes as AA said..a disciplined study routine will be a very rewarding way of daily practice.
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Maybe not stuff you have to actively work on, but stuff you can listen to that you want to cement in ur head.
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You’ve heard of screen dreams…. surely some get fretboard dreams?
I would say that while I’m yet to be convinced that I can learn jazz guitar in my sleep, getting a good nights sleep is helpful with the jazz guitar.
Although Peter Bernstein credited sleep deprivation for his improvisational creativity. I think he was only half joking.
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Part of my job is researching lucid dreaming. There is soft evidence that one can practice a skill intentionally while dreaming and improve waking talent. This mostly is used among athletes. It's not widely available, but it's developing. Here are some recent publications.
Just a moment...
Music in Lucid Dreams: Exploring The Creative Subconscious
Juggling the Limits of Lucidity: Searching for Cognitive Constraints in Dream Motor Practice | bioRxiv
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Last night I dreamed I was flying. I even got to the point where I could control where I wanted to go. Then I dreamed I could play guitar. I even got to the point where I could control where I wanted to go; bebop lines all the way to the bridge. I got up and started to practice and I COULD play all over. It was the most incredible feeling.
I went out on a walk and met this guy in the park. He had two beautiful women on his arms. I smiled and nodded, said "You've got a good life." and he told me "I'm a guitarist. I get my ideas from dreams. But in my dreams I make sure I NEVER play above the fifth fret."
But seriously, I think about things when I'm half asleep and it is helpful, trying to achieve a clear way of thinking when I don't have a guitar in my hands. But here's the difference: I don't try to play or practice anything in my sleep, but I try to achieve that clarity when I'm awake.
That takes practice. And I'll tell you, it's not from practicing licks without a big picture of the music that gives it meaning.
Dreams give me the big picture. Living the big picture is why I practice.
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Mental imagery practices have been shown to be very productive, i.e., visualizing and silently sight singing phrases and chords without the guitar. Such visualization techniques are commonly used by elite athletes. It would certainly be advantageous to do it while lucid dreaming if you could manage that.
A couple of relevant links:
Visualization in Sports: What the Evidence Tells Us | Medium
The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep - Amazon.com
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I am a light sleeper and wake up a lot a night. I usually start a Rosary and never get past the 2nd mystery that I happen to be praying on. The other option I do, and I believe it does hold as real practice. I pick a tune like a standard and imagine the chord changes and start soloing in my head. I have real image of the guitar's fingerboard and yes I believe it makes great practice. I dream lucidly often and completely know it is dream and yes, I am asleep, I think. Marty might now more about this than me and if I am really asleep, but I think so
Years ago, I remember Howard Roberts talking about living in the desert in Arizona as a kid and he would go out and target shot. He would take his riffle and cans to shoot and start shooting. HE also said he had a complete picture of the guitar neck in his head and would play and hear standards. He said that is how he learn most of the standard tunes he knew.
I sure no Howard Roberts but it makes total sense to me.
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Seriously, I sometimes wake up with some nice chordal/melodic ideas in my head. But then, I am an extremely vivid dreamer.
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I have periods where I'm likely to fall asleep while practising. It's really quite interesting to soar back into consciousness and realise what you've really been playing the past few bars. Or rather, that it was far from being as perfect as you dreamt it was. Because of course I can never remember exactly what I played.
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Could be worse: Originally Posted by jazznylon
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My sleep has been horrible these days, and honestly, so has my playing. I’ve been feeling exhausted and just not getting the rest I need, which is definitely affecting my energy levels. It’s frustrating because I used to be able to enjoy my hobbies, but lately, it’s been hard to focus on anything. I’ll be checking with wellamoon to see if they can help me out with something to improve my sleep or overall well-being. I’ve heard some good things about their products, so hopefully, they’ll be able to offer something that works.
Last edited by benhatchins; 03-18-2025 at 03:20 PM.
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Freddie Green actually did that some time during the 1960s. He had the Gretsch guitar lying besides him on the bed (though likely not for some magical in-sleep practicing purpose) when he rolled over in his sleep and landed on top of the guitar. That cost a broken guitar neck. That's why his Gretsch eventally lost its decorative headstock MOP inlay. Gretsch replaced the neck and the new neck didn't have the inlay. Originally Posted by jazznylon
I tried sleeping with a guitar a couple of times but I found it hogs on more space than I like to admit. I should be doing all the hogging darn it!
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