Name that lick - Swing players

[AllanAllen]

There's a lick I've heard a lot of swing players do. In the liner notes to Bill Jennings Glide On, it's referred to as "an old Scottish tune" does anyone know the name of the tune?

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[Mick-7]

It may not be a particular tune because it's a musical cliche but I'll see if I can spot it in my book of Irish fiddle tunes.

For example, the Swallowtail jig that starts at about 9.00 min into this video:

[paulkogut]

I think it's "Irish Washerwoman"? I've heard Joe Henderson quote it a bunch, I'll try to post examples when I can dig them up

[AllanAllen]

Should I mention that I don’t know the answer? I just hear the lick often and like it.

[AllanAllen]

I think it's "Irish Washerwoman"? I've heard Joe Henderson quote it a bunch, I'll try to post examples when I can dig them up

That sounds like the source. I wonder how it got into the swing repertoire.

[Rob MacKillop]

Yes, the Irish washerwoman - could have been my Grannie...

[Hep To The Jive]

That sounds like the source. I wonder how it got into the swing repertoire.

I remember it was in some guitar instructional book, not sure which one, Mel Bay or Hal Leonard or some British one... You know those beginners guitar books.

[paulkogut]

That sounds like the source. I wonder how it got into the swing repertoire.

I started playing gigs in the 1980's, so I was on the bandstand with folks who had been gigging since the 1930's. There was once a bunch of general business work, wedding bands were just thrown together, and the 'ethnic' tunes were part of the expected repertoire. I have a fakebook "The Book"with sections of Irish, Italian, Polish, German, Greek and Jewish tunes that all used to get played on the regularIrish.pdf

[Mick-7]

Damn it Allan, now you've incited me to play fiddle tunes! But it's fun trying to make a telecaster sound like a fiddle or bagpipe.

Been playing tunes from this book -- One Thousand Fiddle Tunes - Amazon.com
Buy used: $196.43 (Cover price is $3.00!)

Problem is, it has some musical notation I don't understand and that is not explained in the book - violin articulation perhaps? I may have to post an example here for ya' all to comment on.

[Unclegrumpy]

I paid $10 in 1974 for my copy. You can find a free pdf online, Cole’s 1000 fiddle tunes, which is an 1885 reprint of the Mammoth collection.

[brent.h]

While we're all here, could I ask where this other lick comes from? (see 2:09 in video below) I hear it all the time in solos.

This recording was done in 1936, so the line predates bebop for sure.

[AllanAllen]

Sounds like a Ragtime piano thing to me.

[brent.h]

Sounds bop-ish to me cos the minor line moves up a third from the ii to the iv. (Shrugs.)

[AllanAllen]

I'm having a real hard time hearing what notes are being played because of the timbre and reverb.

[brent.h]

See 2:04 to 2:08

In the key of C, it's something like
D, E, F, G, E, F, D
then move a min 3rd up
F, G, Ab, Bb, G, Ab, F

Usually played as ii V line

[Mick-7]

While we're all here, could I ask where this other lick comes from? (see 2:09 in video below) I hear it all the time in solos.
This recording was done in 1936, so the line predates bebop for sure. Benny Goodman Quartet - Moonglow (1936) - YouTube

Sounds like a scale exercise.

Seems that Brent wants us to resurrect this old quiz show - he'd better offer prizes if he does.

[AllanAllen]

Some of these licks have names though. I think it’s a fair question