feedback on a new tune?

[jzucker]

Hey guys, here's a sample from my new album. I put synth strings behind the guitar part. I'm thinking about replacing these with real strings.


Some folks have expressed concern about the dissonance at 30s in. It's a D/Eb chord but with F in the melody so there is dissonance between the F# in the D chord and F in the melody. I like it but i'm twisted.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.


In her arms (excerpt with strings)


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[pamosmusic]

Hey guys, here's a sample from my new album. I put synth strings behind the guitar part. I'm thinking about replacing these with real strings.


Some folks have expressed concern about the dissonance at 30s in. It's a D/Eb chord but with F in the melody so there is dissonance between the F# in the D chord and F in the melody. I like it but i'm twisted.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.


In her arms (excerpt with strings)


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I don't know -- it's crunchy, but (1) it's supposed to be and (2) it will sound better with real strings. I could see it sounding pretty nice with maybe a dramatic fp-crescendo or something. That would minimize the impact of the F against the chord -- have the dissonance kind of sneak in underneath the melody.

[jzucker]

I don't know -- it's crunchy, but (1) it's supposed to be and (2) it will sound better with real strings. I could see it sounding pretty nice with maybe a dramatic fp-crescendo or something. That would minimize the impact of the F against the chord -- have the dissonance kind of sneak in underneath the melody.

I actually sent this to the violinist. first system revoices to avoid the F/F# in the same Register. Second is what was on the recording

[KRosser]

Hey guys, here's a sample from my new album. I put synth strings behind the guitar part. I'm thinking about replacing these with real strings.


Some folks have expressed concern about the dissonance at 30s in. It's a D/Eb chord but with F in the melody so there is dissonance between the F# in the D chord and F in the melody. I like it but i'm twisted.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.


In her arms (excerpt with strings)


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Wow, nice Jack. I really like it a lot.

I gotta say, nothing about the voicing at 30 seconds on bothers me at all, maybe I've listened to too much Bartok in my life But, I find Bartok's "dissonance" beautiful and I find this beautiful too. In fact, I think it really adds to it. An old teacher of mine used to say, the sauce needs a little garlic and pepper or everything tastes like tomato paste. Anyway, this is the perfect amount of garlic for me!

[AllanAllen]

It sounds fine to me, my personal taste is to keep the small group sound. But that's just my taste.

[nyc chaz]

I like it.Why not use Spitfire Audio or Orchestral Tools Kontakt libraries to replace the synth strings.Now i am waiting for the Wes/Bird sold out when they added strings crowd to chime in their displeasure.

[pamosmusic]

I like it.Why not use Spitfire Audio or Orchestral Tools Kontakt libraries to replace the synth strings.Now i am waiting for the Wes/Bird sold out when they added strings crowd to chime in their displeasure.

I was thinking it does have a late Wes vibe. The octaves obviously help with that.

EDIT: I should clarify that I like the late Wes stuff and the smooth Benson and the Parker or Desmond with strings stuff. So I would consider the comparison a compliment.

[ragman1]

Nothing wrong with the dissonance at 30s. Breaks it up. I'd like to hear the complete track.

[jzucker]

Wow, nice Jack. I really like it a lot.

I gotta say, nothing about the voicing at 30 seconds on bothers me at all, maybe I've listened to too much Bartok in my life But, I find Bartok's "dissonance" beautiful and I find this beautiful too. In fact, I think it really adds to it. An old teacher of mine used to say, the sauce needs a little garlic and pepper or everything tastes like tomato paste. Anyway, this is the perfect amount of garlic for me!

The singer didn't like the original version. Not sure when you listened to it but I reuploaded it with a version where I put the violins F# as the lower voice and the singer approved of that version. After the 4 bar into, that tune originally started out with 8 bars of G/Ab and a slightly different melody. The singer said she thought it was too dissonant. At first i was a little taken aback but lately i'm starting to adopt the idea that what plays to a hardcore jazz crowd at the village vanguard is not necessarily going to play in Minneapolis. So I made a few changes that retain the flavor but may be more listenable.

[jzucker]

I like it.Why not use Spitfire Audio or Orchestral Tools Kontakt libraries to replace the synth strings.Now i am waiting for the Wes/Bird sold out when they added strings crowd to chime in their displeasure.

Thanks for the tip. I didn't know which library to get. Let me look into it. In the meantime, I hired a violinist to record those parts but ultimately, I may replace them with vocals. That was the original idea actually. I put the violins in because the musescore vocal synth really sucks but after I heard it, the violins kind of grew on me. I'll decide after she records her next parts.

[rpjazzguitar]

Hey guys, here's a sample from my new album. I put synth strings behind the guitar part. I'm thinking about replacing these with real strings.


Some folks have expressed concern about the dissonance at 30s in. It's a D/Eb chord but with F in the melody so there is dissonance between the F# in the D chord and F in the melody. I like it but i'm twisted.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.


In her arms (excerpt with strings)


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Purely a matter of taste.

That said, I'd have picked a different note for the guitar.

No opinion on real strings.

Good luck. A lot of good stuff on there.

[jzucker]

Purely a matter of taste.

That said, I'd have picked a different note for the guitar.

No opinion on real strings.

Good luck. A lot of good stuff on there.

The F melody note and the tension make the song! That's the main feature of the song.

[jzucker]

I like it.Why not use Spitfire Audio or Orchestral Tools Kontakt libraries to replace the synth strings.Now i am waiting for the Wes/Bird sold out when they added strings crowd to chime in their displeasure.

I bought spitfire. I'm not sure how to use it completely. By default, the onset of notes comes in very slowly so in a jazz piece it has the effect of sounding like they are not in time. Hopefully that's configurable.

[nyc chaz]

I bought spitfire. I'm not sure how to use it completely. By default, the onset of notes comes in very slowly so in a jazz piece it has the effect of sounding like they are not in time. Hopefully that's configurable.

Which library did you get? There are different articulations for short,long attacks,legato and many others.Also in your daw you edit the envelopes to make it more realistic.Youtube has many videos which can help such as this

[Ingo Lee]

I like what you've done here Jack. Dissonance is fine with me (I didn't hear the original version though) but smooth is ok too. Virtual instruments are a deep subject, I'm no expert but there's some good info here if you haven't seen it.

Vi-Control

[jzucker]

Which library did you get? There are different articulations for short,long attacks,legato and many others.Also in your daw you edit the envelopes to make it more realistic.Youtube has many videos which can help such as this

i got soaring high strings. Usually the envelope you can control is reducing attack. In this case, the attack is delayed. Maybe it's just not the right library.

[nyc chaz]

i got soaring high strings. Usually the envelope you can control is reducing attack. In this case, the attack is delayed. Maybe it's just not the right library.

I am not familiar with that library but instead their Albion,Chamber and Symphonic string libraries.Looking at Soaring Strings on their website it seems that you could probably make it work in the clip you posted.

[supersoul]

I like the synth strings. They sit behind the guitar and make the guitar the focus of listening. They provide the harmony rather well. Real strings might compete with the guitar too much.

The dissonance didn't sound dissonant to me, just intense and complex. It has feeling.

[jzucker]

I am not familiar with that library but instead their Albion,Chamber and Symphonic string libraries.Looking at Soaring Strings on their website it seems that you could probably make it work in the clip you posted.

it would seem so but after a lot of time playing around with it, i like the musescore/finale strings better for my purposes. Neither of the latter would sound good in an orchestral context though.

[pilotony]

Nice work Jack. Liked every bit of it. Thanks for posting.

Tony D.

[nyc chaz]

it would seem so but after a lot of time playing around with it, i like the musescore/finale strings better for my purposes. Neither of the latter would sound good in an orchestral context though.

Those Spitfire libraries i mentioned are available in Musehub for MuseStudio at a fraction of the price.They are exactly the same except that only one mic position is available and despite that they sound fantastic.

[ccroft]

I think it's beautiful. Dissonance is relative, and it's needed to set up resolution. Which is there and comforting in the next bar.

I also like the way you use repetition. Nice restraint. I want to be in those arms.

I wonder what vibes would sound like for the synth/string part...

[jzucker]

Those Spitfire libraries i mentioned are available in Musehub for MuseStudio at a fraction of the price.They are exactly the same except that only one mic position is available and despite that they sound fantastic.

I bought the standalone spitfire strings and there is a bug where it arpeggiates chords instead of playing them as a single chord if the parts are on one staff. If I create individual tracks, each with one voice, this problem doesn't happen. This is with spitfire set to "soaring strings legato". And if I set spitfire for "long", it doesn't arpeggiate notes but the delay on the note starting is extreme enough that it sounds like it's almost an 8th note late. So i'm pretty annoyed, lol.

[jzucker]

Those Spitfire libraries i mentioned are available in Musehub for MuseStudio at a fraction of the price.They are exactly the same except that only one mic position is available and despite that they sound fantastic.

which strings are the spitfire ones? They have a ton of string libraries.

[nyc chaz]

which strings are the spitfire ones? They have a ton of string libraries.

If you open Musehub and click on Muse Sounds they are shown by individual company.It says Spitfire Audio and beneath are the different Orchestral libraries.Symphonic strings should do everything you want.My favorite is the Orchestral Tools Berlin Strings.Musescore just posted their update for Musescore Studio so the libraries are 50 to 60 percent off today.You will have to login on the Musehub to purchase.