Solo Guitar Tune #4: The Shadow of Your Smile

[joe2758]

I like how you think, Raggedyandy. Idea looks great; can't try it just now. And of course, as we ALL know the A13 is derived from the Bbdim

[ragman1]

Or even Eb7#9 (x6567x). Sub of a sub...

[pingu]

Are you saying you change the melody from C# to C?

Oh no I wouldn't do that Rag ...

I just wanted to see how people are handling it

ATMo I'm liking
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What you think ?

I can't seem to get the Bbo stuff working for me ...
(I've got a fairly vanilla ear tho)

[joe2758]

Or even Eb7#9 (x6567x). Sub of a sub...

Also derived from the Bbdim. I'm with you

[ragman1]

Oh no I wouldn't do that Rag ...

Sorry, I thought you said F#m7b5 which would be C natural.

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I don't know. Probably the melody ought to come through (although it's not essential, it could be implied). I think (apart from 1 which is F#m) I like 3 because of the dissonance. But the problem with putting in a higher note than the melody is that it can hide it.

Anyway, definitely not 2, don't like that :-)

[pingu]

I think (apart from 1 which is F#m) I like 3 because of the dissonance. But the problem with putting in a higher note than the melody is that it can hide it.

Anyway, definitely not 2, don't like that :-)

I didn't mean them as individual chord ideas Rag ...
I meant to through play them as a sequence over
"Smile ... When you are gone"

Just an idea anyway ...

[lawson-stone]

So I often just run the video camera while I'm noodling with a tune, and decided to share a snippet. This contains a few runs at different ways to play the first line, then sort of segues to an improvisation on the tune with a few halts and goofs... this surely should convince many that they can do lots better, and encourage them to post!

But I always enjoy seeing players' experimentation, and this is pretty "raw." Also, I was super tired and a little irritable for no good reason!

[matt.guitarteacher]

Bossa harmony is a little different anyway.

The turnaround in the 557 Jazz Standards version is G6--C7--B7, which seems to set up the F#m7 a lot better. Feels much less arbitrary. I don't always like the 557 versions that much, but I definitely like this version of the turnaround. This chart has other funky bossa harmonic elements as well, if I'm remembering correctly. Little more blues.

Honestly, the bossa feel sells the F#m7 as much as anything to my ears. Anyway, I haven't posted anything. Sorry. Crazy busy. I have a big road trip upcoming to get a first peak at my first grandchild, just born today. So a lot going on. :-)

[joe2758]

You’re right John, the first example isn’t the best for making my point since it’s barely there due to the movement. the second example is more clear I think

I can stumble through the tune at this point, so I should be able to post one in the time frame of this thread

[KirkP]

Here’s my initial stab at making sense of this tune — once bossa and once swing (even though swing may be totally inappropriate). I’ll keep working on it and hope to get it to garden party performance level in a few weeks.

[joe2758]

nothing wrong with swing for this tune, i think i’ve actually heard more swing than bossa versions— but then again I always prefer swing.

Really nice playing as always, great feel

[lawson-stone]

Here’s my initial stab at making sense of this tune — once bossa and once swing (even though swing may be totally inappropriate). I’ll keep working on it and hope to get it to garden party performance level in a few weeks.

I like it--and transposed down a step from the usual gives you more room up high.

I thought I heard maybe an unconscious quote of another tune about :38 or so? I can't name the tune but an expression crosses your face that made me thing maybe you heard it too? It's driving me nuts trying to get the tune in my head.

[lawson-stone]

nothing wrong with swing for this tune, i think i’ve actually heard more swing than bossa versions— but then again I always prefer swing.

Really nice playing as always, great feel

I love playing it as a light swing. Works just fine. There is a wonderful Joe Pass/Red Mitchell duet of this that uses a swing feel, and the Earl Klugh trio did it that way too.

[John A.]

Here’s my initial stab at making sense of this tune — once bossa and once swing (even though swing may be totally inappropriate). I’ll keep working on it and hope to get it to garden party performance level in a few weeks.

I didn't read the post at first and just listened, and I was like "wait a second ... what tune is this?"

I think you have to do a full on swing version, just cause everybody else is bossa.

John

[KirkP]

I like it--and transposed down a step from the usual gives you more room up high.

I thought I heard maybe an unconscious quote of another tune about :38 or so? I can't name the tune but an expression crosses your face that made me thing maybe you heard it too? It's driving me nuts trying to get the tune in my head.

I chose the key of F before I even checked what key it’s usually played in. F does seem a little richer on guitar than G.
I didn’t intentionally quote anything, but I intentionally played a little behind the beat around 0:38, then realized it was going to be difficult to catch back up. I smiled when I managed to get back on top of the beat. I’d make a rotten poker player.
My favorite version of this tune is an exceptionally beautiful vocal by Nancy Lamott. I won’t post a link here, but it’s on youtube. It would be difficult to get the long sustains needed for that tempo, but maybe the Telecaster could do it.

[KirkP]

I thought I heard maybe an unconscious quote of another tune about :38 or so? I can't name the tune but an expression crosses your face that made me thing maybe you heard it too? It's driving me nuts trying to get the tune in my head.

I finally realized you’re right — I sort of quoted the first few notes of Round Midnight there. The notes are very similar but the rhythm is much different. It wasn’t preplanned, but that’s another tune I’m working on so it snuck in.

[jazzdan]

Congrats on your 1st grandchild....I hope you become as important to him/her as my grandfather was and still is to me

[matt.guitarteacher]

Congrats on your 1st grandchild....I hope you become as important to him/her as my grandfather was and still is to me

Thanks, Dan.

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[lawson-stone]

I finally realized you’re right — I sort of quoted the first few notes of Round Midnight there. The notes are very similar but the rhythm is much different. It wasn’t preplanned, but that’s another tune I’m working on so it snuck in.

I hear that but I'm thinking of a song from a musical. It's a vocal line, sung by a woman, but I can't figure it. Kind of like hearing the "Lord of the Rings" Theme and one day realizing the old hymn tune "This Is My Father's World" has the same phrase...

It'll come to me... likely at a supremely awkward moment.

[PaulW10]

Anyway, I haven't posted anything. Sorry. Crazy busy. I have a big road trip upcoming to get a first peak at my first grandchild, just born today. So a lot going on. :-)

Congrats on the first grandchild. That is very cool life news!!

I haven't posted yet either. I'm a CPA and just came out of my crazy time and then I laid on the couch for the last two days doing hardly anything It's time to get back to playing some for me!

[joe2758]

I haven't posted yet either. I'm a CPA and just came out of my crazy time and then I laid on the couch for the last two days doing hardly anything It's time to get back to playing some for me!

That's why I haven't posted; didn't to overstep Paul. You other guys failed the test

[grahambop]

By the way Johnny Mandel’s original score has some tasty orchestration. Trumpet is played by Jack Sheldon.

[jazzdan]

[lawson-stone]

Hi Dan
Sounds nice down low like that. I think you are rushing the tempo on some of the measures. There are some long 2 and 3 beat rests in the melody that you can fill with arpeggios or other phrases, but those longer rests are important in the tune. Maybe go through and mechanically count the beats as you play.

Still you have a solid take on the tune.

[jazzdan]

Thanks Lawson.....yeah, I can hear and see where I didn't hold a few of those half notes long enough and the dotted half notes long enough. I'll work on that