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    I really don't want this to turn into a political diatribe since I DID NOT post it for that reason. But, rather, I am curious how other musicians feel/think about this topic. I had an inquiry about playing a wedding gig(Classical) next month: two sets--one before the ceremony and, the second, before/during the meal. It pays $300. although I don't get my normal 15 minute breaks. I can live with that but, my state of residence just mandated wearing a face mask in all enclosed, public venues, including weddings, and I am conflicted over this issue since it makes me feel like it's an extreme exercise in absurdity since I would be separated from the audience, in both cases, by at least 30 feet and I don't like the idea of masks ,in general, unless I'm in a very closed/constricted, and vulnerable space. I haven't committed yet, but I think I'm going to turn the gig down. I also think it looks stupid and there is a breathing issue while playing. What do you think?

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    I think the breathing issue is bogus. It's not like you will be doing vigorous exercise. How it looks is also a cop-out, since everyone else should be wearing masks. If you don't want the gig, fine. If it even still goes then, with the way the virus is spreading. Whether you turn it down or accept it, deciding because of the mask requirement is not a valid excuse. People will be walking by near you, without question. Wear a damn mask in public to prevent spreading the virus to others.

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    It sounds like you've already decided you don't want to do it.
    But I personally don't see why masks should be the thing that decides it. It's just a bit of cloth.
    I wore a protective mask while insulating my loft. I wear a face covering on cold winter days when I cycle to work. I even once wore a dusk mask when recording some ultra-quiet minimalist avant garde music to minimise the sound of my breathing. (I heard that Irvine Arditti from the Arditti Quartet has often had to do the same thing, he's too heavy a breather for his violin mic!)

    And you won't look stupid if everyone else is wearing one too. Personally I'd be thrilled just to be allowed out to play a gig - we can't do that here in the UK. And not only to play a gig, but get paid a decent enough fee too.

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    You're going to wear pants right? You've even talked about wearing tuxedos. A mask is just another piece of clothing. If you are not in a high risk group I think you should take the gig.

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    It's great (*) that you've even got the option. As Matt said, we don't have that option in the UK. At least it shows that live music is edging back in some geographies.

    (*) Assuming that it's been worked through and it's safe. From what I hear there are record number of new cases in the US, so this does come as a surprise to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger
    It's great (*) that you've even got the option. As Matt said, we don't have that option in the UK. At least it shows that live music is edging back in some geographies.

    (*) Assuming that it's been worked through and it's safe. From what I hear there are record number of new cases in the US, so this does come as a surprise to me.
    Yes, you need to be willing to take the chance with a decent probability of getting the virus. For the young and healthy this is a reasonable position as long if you're responsible about wearing masks per the CDC guidelines to protect others. That's about the best we can hope for the way the U.S. population is behaving, better than we can hope for actually.

    If you're older or in some other high risk group, let someone who is young and healthy have the gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    I really don't want this to turn into a political diatribe since I DID NOT post it for that reason. But, rather, I am curious how other musicians feel/think about this topic. I had an inquiry about playing a wedding gig(Classical) next month: two sets--one before the ceremony and, the second, before/during the meal. It pays $300. although I don't get my normal 15 minute breaks. I can live with that but, my state of residence just mandated wearing a face mask in all enclosed, public venues, including weddings, and I am conflicted over this issue since it makes me feel like it's an extreme exercise in absurdity since I would be separated from the audience, in both cases, by at least 30 feet and I don't like the idea of masks ,in general, unless I'm in a very closed/constricted, and vulnerable space. I haven't committed yet, but I think I'm going to turn the gig down. I also think it looks stupid and there is a breathing issue while playing. What do you think?
    I wouldn't want to be indoors with a crowd for any substantial length of time.

    There is research (from a restaurant in China) that shows people downwind (recognizing that the HVAC is moving air) of an infected person got infected. There is no reliable data on the probability of infection at different distances in that circumstance.

    If you happen to be sitting next to the air intake, all the air is flowing near you and you're at higher risk. How much risk? That's not known.

    Then, there's the psychological issue. Some of the guests may be nervous. Even if they're overestimating risk, it's hard to criticize them for it, given how much isn't known about transmission. So, I think, even if you think there's no risk, and even if you're right (which you can't be sure of), there's still a reason to wear a mask to put other people at ease.

    So, if you don't like the order to wear a mask, and you're uncomfortable playing in one, I'd say, this isn't the gig for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    I wouldn't want to be indoors with a crowd for any substantial length of time.

    There is research (from a restaurant in China) that shows people downwind (recognizing that the HVAC is moving air) of an infected person got infected. There is no reliable data on the probability of infection at different distances in that circumstance.

    If you happen to be sitting next to the air intake, all the air is flowing near you and you're at higher risk. How much risk? That's not known.

    Then, there's the psychological issue. Some of the guests may be nervous. Even if they're overestimating risk, it's hard to criticize them for it, given how much isn't known about transmission. So, I think, even if you think there's no risk, and even if you're right (which you can't be sure of), there's still a reason to wear a mask to put other people at ease.

    So, if you don't like the order to wear a mask, and you're uncomfortable playing in one, I'd say, this isn't the gig for you.

    Hi, RP,
    I'm in agreement with your above ideas but hadn't considered the HVAC system factor. Thanks. I do have a real issue with claustrophobia so wearing a mask has been a problem with me and I feel ,generally, uncomfortable when I need to wear one to take care of business throughout the week. However, performance has always been something special for me and I truly question what effect it might have on my playing. I know it's not a concert venue and most people won't really be listening but I always aim for my personal best musically. As far as others remarks about wearing a tuxedo . . . I don't, but do wear tuxedo pants and shirt(for Classical gigs) and hardly consider it to be in the same category as wearing a mask. I have a few days to commit and I appreciate any other ideas to consider. This plague that has beset the world may transform the way we do business/art forever. Thanks all for the sincere replies . . . Good playing . . . Marinero

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    If it pays decent then that's pretty much the decider,at least for me. But make sure it pays enough for your hassle!

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    In these times I would not want to be drawing a crowd, myself.

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    The mask is mainly a symbol that you are willing to protect others. Wear it that way, proudly!
    I wear it everywhere where needed – supermarket, restaurants et al. – though I have gone through a Corona infection already and thus it doesn't make sense from a medical point of view. I wear it to show that I care.

    I talked to some friends and they told me that the first gig offers are coming in again – mostly outdoor. Now I feel a bit lazy because all we managed to do was one rehearsal. Then I don't rely on gigging as my main source of income ...

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    Some small outside gigs are starting to happen here too, but anything major like festivals or anything involving summer tourism, hotels, island gigs etc, is still non existent. My closest gigs are a festival and some gigs around it towards the end of July, but it still remains to be seen if they happen..

    If I was in an area where the epidemic is very active, and in an age group considered dangerous (which I'm close to), I don't think I would do gigs right now. They are so sparse that it's not worth the risk anyway.

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    So, some really great thoughts here but I wonder . . . has anyone here performed a gig recently with a face mask? I'm not overtly paranoid about contagion but it certainly does exist. And, is this going to be the new reality for those who are performers? And, if others feel as I do, how will this effect performers in the future? I have a feeling this virus is going to be with us for some time and perhaps, like Disco in the late 70's/80's, it will ring, yet, another death knell for live music. And, what about the Symphony and Opera? Are these concerns unrealistic? Good playing . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    So, some really great thoughts here but I wonder . . . has anyone here performed a gig recently with a face mask? I'm not overtly paranoid about contagion but it certainly does exist. And, is this going to be the new reality for those who are performers? And, if others feel as I do, how will this effect performers in the future? I have a feeling this virus is going to be with us for some time and perhaps, like Disco in the late 70's/80's, it will ring, yet, another death knell for live music. And, what about the Symphony and Opera? Are these concerns unrealistic? Good playing . . . Marinero
    I haven't gigged in a long time. And I can't answer your other questions. Having said that, I just finished three months of volunteer stuff and wore a mask throughout, but if I had any doubts - as you seem to have - I wouldn't have hesitated to give it a miss. Peace of mind is as valuable as any other kind of health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    So, some really great thoughts here but I wonder . . . has anyone here performed a gig recently with a face mask?
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    Perhaps you can wear a mask when socializing, walking around, setting up etc, and remove it when playing. Use a music stand, amp, guitar case etc to create some distance between yourself and the audience..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    Perhaps you can wear a mask when socializing, walking around, setting up etc, and remove it when playing. Use a music stand, amp, guitar case etc to create some distance between yourself and the audience..
    Hi, A,
    This is what I was trying to do with the prospective customer and I would have no problem with this approach. However, our new State mandate, as of Friday, requires masks to be worn inside in ANY restaurant, business, or event with a monetary fine and possible imprisonment for any violations. I just don't see any way that I can avoid it and, unless there is another way to handle this, I will have to turn down the gig. Although, I wonder how I'd look with Graham's prized mask in my classical dress? Do you think I could growl when playing "Ave Maria??????????." Good playing . . . Marinero



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    My experience has been that masks differ a lot in comfort.

    I found a bandanna hampered breathing, but the blue surgical masks are manageable, and I have biked and run in them.

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    Have you been tested very recently?
    i and many others are immuno suppressed due to medication, I’m sure there will be one or more there. It’s not something we advertise... it’s very misunderstood by the general public.
    if you’re carrying, even if asymptomatic and manage to infect one of us, regardless of age, we are dead in days.
    human up and wear the mask for us, and be thankful you’ve got a gig when so many don’t.

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    Your job is not to look handsome for the people. It's just to make pleasant noises for them. They don't care how you look. But if you're truly terrified of masks, just turn the gig down and forget about gigging for the foreseeable future. Let someone else make some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    Your job is not to look handsome for the people. It's just to make pleasant noises for them. They don't care how you look.
    Personally, I disagree with this, unless you're hidden in an orch pit below deck. But not intending to debate on this. Your opinion is as valid as mine. I just think that if you are on stage, you're meant to be looked at as well as listened to. That is a different situation than being tucked away in a corner to provide background music. i.e. it varies with the gig. You wouldn't wear a t-shirt and jeans to play tucked away in the corner of an upscale restaurant. So face mask is part of the dress code statewide for some of us. That is just how it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    But if you're truly terrified of masks, just turn the gig down and forget about gigging for the foreseeable future. Let someone else make some money.
    100 percent agree with this. There are a lot of things I'm not planning to do for the forseeable future. Gigging is an important one, but that's just how it is. I love to play, and I love to gig, but I am thankful that I can still do the former without doing the latter till the time is right. I am looking at this situation as an opportunity to shed on stuff that I might not have time for if I was gigging actively.

    I'm not claustrophobic, so the mask is not a big deal for me, but I understand that your situation is different, Marinero. I wish you the best with this complicated decision.

    Whatever you decide, wishing you Good Playing :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    Have you been tested very recently?
    i and many others are immuno suppressed due to medication, I’m sure there will be one or more there. It’s not something we advertise... it’s very misunderstood by the general public.
    if you’re carrying, even if asymptomatic and manage to infect one of us, regardless of age, we are dead in days.
    human up and wear the mask for us, and be thankful you’ve got a gig when so many don’t.
    Hi, J,
    I get it and I do wear the mask. However, I don't breathe well when wearing one and it gets hot and muggy in short time. I'm killing the gig tonight with the people unless they put me in an air-conditioned glass cage . . . geez . .. that sure sounds like Orwell's "1984!" Thanks everyone for the great replies. Where the Hell is all this going? Good playing . . . without a mask . . . Marinero

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    "Your job is not to look handsome for the people. It's just to make pleasant noises for them." Sgo


    Hi, S,
    You obviously don't play Classical gigs. It is a long-standing tradition to wear white tux shirt/pants ,if not, white starched, collared shirt/black pants for Classical gigs. For me, I do strictly solo gigs and charge above-market rates for my services. When I show up for a gig, I look and play like a professional. And, because of this, I easily develop repeat and referral business which means ,after a short time, you don't have to "cold call" to get jobs. People call you.
    If I play a Jazz/Bossa gig, I usually wear nice dress slacks and shirt--even a sport/leather coat in cooler weather. I believe that we are both musicians and entertainers and a professional look pays rewards. It has nothing to do with your skills but I'm not into the dirty t-shirt/blue jeans mentality of the starving artist/rocker/C@W crowd . . . simply because I'm not.
    I hope this is clear. Good playing . . , Marinero

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    Thank you for responding Maniero, I hoped I wasn’t too strident.

    how about some gig clothes laughs.

    Used to be an organist at a church a 15 minute bike ride from home. Only open in the summer. I left a pair of slacks in a closet that I could pull over my bike shorts. The organ was up in front so visible to most everyone.
    came in one Sunday am and the slacks are gone. A bit of a panic here! Played four masses in a nice tight pair of Izumi bike shorts. Could not wait till it was over.

    Preist says to me afterwards ‘hey I found a nice pair of dress pants in the closet, took them home and they fit perfectly.’


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    "Your job is not to look handsome for the people. It's just to make pleasant noises for them." Sgo


    Hi, S,
    You obviously don't play Classical gigs. It is a long-standing tradition to wear white tux shirt/pants ,if not, white starched, collared shirt/black pants for Classical gigs. For me, I do strictly solo gigs and charge above-market rates for my services. When I show up for a gig, I look and play like a professional. And, because of this, I easily develop repeat and referral business which means ,after a short time, you don't have to "cold call" to get jobs. People call you.
    If I play a Jazz/Bossa gig, I usually wear nice dress slacks and shirt--even a sport/leather coat in cooler weather. I believe that we are both musicians and entertainers and a professional look pays rewards. It has nothing to do with your skills but I'm not into the dirty t-shirt/blue jeans mentality of the starving artist/rocker/C@W crowd . . . simply because I'm not.
    I hope this is clear. Good playing . . , Marinero
    Agree. This falls under what I refer to as "get the easy stuff right". It's easy to dress nice, be on time, be courteous. This is true no matter what job/career you are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    Agree. This falls under what I refer to as "get the easy stuff right". It's easy to dress nice, be on time, be courteous. This is true no matter what job/career you are in.
    Hi, F,
    I once played in a great R@B band in Chicago(guitar/bass/trombone/sax/drums/vocalist) for about a year. The lead vocalist ,WC, was one of the best I've ever played with and was on par with Wilson Pickett, Johnny Taylor, Al Green, Sam and Dave, etc. and could have become famous were it not for his inability to show up for gigs on time and sober. We lost many repeat gigs after the first night from owners who wanted the show to start on time--despite our great sound. Eventually, I left to join a 10 piece Jazz/Rock big band. I never heard about WC again on the Chicago circuit. Sad. Good playing . . . Marinero

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    I'm lucky, b/c the Jazz Foundation is paying me for a steady in a hospital. I'm staying home, of course.

    I played a streaming solo concert on the 18th. There were people inside and outside, masks down---including mine. Getting lax, and that's dumb.

    I'm trying to get together a concert for Peace, Healing, and Change w/top Philly performers. We will be in an event space w/no audience but the streamed one. How can the singers and horn players wear masks performing? It's a risk---but for a good cause if we uplift people and raise money for charity.

    But I should have drawn the line at accepting a $50 gig w/an amateur drummer. He's hard to play with (rushes, doesn't know basic rhythms). He blasted me with an angry text when I hired a real drummer for a gig ('Where's you f'ing loyalty?!'). And it's outdoors, people milling around, masks down. I'm gonna get out of it. Risk my health for $50 and a no-playing MF? No-brainer...

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    "But I should have drawn the line at accepting a $50 gig w/an amateur drummer. He's hard to play with (rushes, doesn't know basic rhythms). He blasted me with an angry text when I hired a real drummer for a gig ('Where's you f'ing loyalty?!'). And it's outdoors, people milling around, masks down. I'm gonna get out of it. Risk my health for $50 and a no-playing MF? No-brainer..." JoelF


    Hi, J,
    Love it! Good playing . . . Marinero

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    I may do one----just to scope the risks out. If it doesn't seem kosher I'll bail. Everyone eating outside, probably close. I really don't need the $ that bad...

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    At this point, everyone who has been awake more than a couple of hours in the past four months is aware of masks and the reasons for wearing them, even if they personally disagree with wearing a mask and believe it is some sort of governmental overreach impingement on their freedom. 40,000 new infections a day in the United States, which is probably about 10% of the true number, demonstrates the reason for wearing a mask. As noted above, the mask is not likely to be more helpful in protecting others from us.

    Everywhere you go, there are people in masks. Somebody wearing a mask in a tuxedo playing a classical guitar recital is not going to surprise anyone. There are people wearing them testifying in front of Congress which seems to be a more formal occasion than a concert.

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    "Everywhere you go, there are people in masks. Somebody wearing a mask in a tuxedo playing a classical guitar recital is not going to surprise anyone. There are people wearing them testifying in front of Congress which seems to be a more formal occasion than a concert." Cunamara


    Hi, C,
    Thanks for your reply. I'd like you to do an experiment. Sit down with a group of your friends and play 45 minutes of "set" music(actual songs, not improvisation) wearing a mask. If it doesn't bother you and interfere with your concentration and playing, you're a better man than me. I've tried it for 10 minutes to see if I could play this gig and couldn't do it. It interfered with my breathing and concentration and it was hot. I play many pieces from memory and about 50 selective pieces that I sight read depending on the mood of the audience/venue. I share your concerns about contagion but playing in this manner, for me, is an exercise in absurdity. And, again, tee shirt or tux, the clothes don't matter in regards to performance. Nor does the formality of the event. I believe this is a real issue for performing musicians.
    Good playing . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    "But I should have drawn the line at accepting a $50 gig w/an amateur drummer...And it's outdoors, people milling around, masks down. I'm gonna get out of it. Risk my health for $50 and a no-playing MF? No-brainer..." JoelF


    Hi, J,
    Love it! Good playing . . . Marinero
    I took it. WTF? Decided to try it once, to scope out if the people are all over, maskless, especially descending on where we play and acting stupid. If that's the case, I'll politely back out.

    OTOH, I may be surprised by together owners and customers doing the right thing, which would be quite something in the dog days. Would go quite a ways to restoring my faith in people.

    Only one way to find out...

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    Good luck, J! Good playing . . . Marinero

    P.S. And, then there's the case of the drummer! Boom, chuckaluckala, boom, chuckalluckala.

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    I played at a wedding recently. With a mask...

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    It was extremely warm and very uncomfortable. But my gig was just 20 minutes. And I went swimming in a lake afterwards ;-)

    What was even weirder then the mask was, that I wasn't allowed to use their electricity.

    I didn't understand, if this was due to corona or something else.
    But the good thing was, that there were just about 15 people allowed to attend the ceremony. So I could borrow a Roland MicroCube from my music-school and use batteries. Not the best sound, but they were satisfied with my service...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    I really don't want this to turn into a political diatribe since I DID NOT post it for that reason. But, rather, I am curious how other musicians feel/think about this topic. I had an inquiry about playing a wedding gig(Classical) next month: two sets--one before the ceremony and, the second, before/during the meal. It pays $300. although I don't get my normal 15 minute breaks. I can live with that but, my state of residence just mandated wearing a face mask in all enclosed, public venues, including weddings, and I am conflicted over this issue since it makes me feel like it's an extreme exercise in absurdity since I would be separated from the audience, in both cases, by at least 30 feet and I don't like the idea of masks ,in general, unless I'm in a very closed/constricted, and vulnerable space. I haven't committed yet, but I think I'm going to turn the gig down. I also think it looks stupid and there is a breathing issue while playing. What do you think?
    There is no breathing issue except in the heads of those claiming that, and there are now many masks to choose from; my wife makes beautiful ones. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, as far as I can see. Man up, mask up, and give the folks your best, they will love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    "Your job is not to look handsome for the people. It's just to make pleasant noises for them." Sgo


    Hi, S,
    You obviously don't play Classical gigs. It is a long-standing tradition to wear white tux shirt/pants ,if not, white starched, collared shirt/black pants for Classical gigs. For me, I do strictly solo gigs and charge above-market rates for my services. When I show up for a gig, I look and play like a professional. And, because of this, I easily develop repeat and referral business which means ,after a short time, you don't have to "cold call" to get jobs. People call you.
    If I play a Jazz/Bossa gig, I usually wear nice dress slacks and shirt--even a sport/leather coat in cooler weather. I believe that we are both musicians and entertainers and a professional look pays rewards. It has nothing to do with your skills but I'm not into the dirty t-shirt/blue jeans mentality of the starving artist/rocker/C@W crowd . . . simply because I'm not.
    I hope this is clear. Good playing . . , Marinero
    wow, I guess you've never heard of John Williams. While I agree that it's professional to not wear dirty or unkempt clothing, I have played hundreds of classical gigs, and the only time I've bothered with a tux is when I'm featured with an orchestra if they are in tuxes. and a mask is not a part of your ensemble, it is a social necessity in a time of global pandemic. Get a good-quality, black mask and give the people your best. Most will be happier than if you weren't wearing a mask.

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    Hey ronjazz.......
    There is no breathing issue except in the heads of those claiming that,


    Except for those of us with Interstitial Lung Disease and about a 40% reduction in capacity.
    An N95 mask is like being choked. I sat through my first haircut since December this morning with one, couldn't talk to the pretty young lady doing the cut. Sadness indeed.

    Good thing I am not gigging any longer, I'd have to bring my O2 bottle lol.
    And no I never smoked.

    d

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    If you already have lung disease, you had better get a good mask and wear it faithfully. A properly fitted N95 might not be enough. If you catch the covid virus with already impaired lungs, your death is not far in the future. Use of an oximeter with and without a mask will show how little your oxygen level is really affected by the mask.

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    Hi sgosnell and thank you very much for your concerns!

    All being done, thank you. I’m very fortunate to be under the care of Johns Hopkins for a Vasculitis that attacked my lungs rather than my kidneys. Small comfort. (Feels so old discussing this stuff.)))
    Mine came on no warning, MicroPolyAngiitis. If I had been admitted anywhere but Hopkins I doubt I’d be discussing anything here. Pretty much isolated at home, in a bubble. Was quite a treat to be out to get my hair cut. She came in alone to meet me at 0800 and I was long gone before anyone else came in.
    My oximeter and are are very close friends... we communicate all day long. It’s my first warning if there’s trouble.
    Since you seem to understand this stuff, I will take the luxury to keep going...
    i am on Actemra, Rituxan, and Imuran. As a result I have no - nada - CD19 or CS 21 cells. And WBC/ABS counts are below 600. So you 100% correct, I will be gone in a day if Covid finds me. Four years of high prednisone has left me unable to play for more than 30 minutes a time. All sounds pretty dire lol.

    So my post back to ronjazz was to make him/people aware that there is more under the sun than they know about and a little thought/compassion goes a long way.

    thanks again for trying to help...take care!

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    I find masks both uncomfortable (they make my nose run) and a bit claustrophobic, but I do wear one when I am indoors in a public place. It is important that we all do so and I have no problems with their use being mandated (I am a libertarian full stop, but I also recognize that my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose). I had to spend 90 minutes getting a banking problem handled the other day and was not comfortable both because of the mask and because I started to feel that being inside for that long was putting myself at risk (I saw a few bank employees take their masks down when they were not with customers).

    I probably would not take the gig in question under the circumstances described by the OP myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronjazz
    wow, I guess you've never heard of John Williams. While I agree that it's professional to not wear dirty or unkempt clothing, I have played hundreds of classical gigs, and the only time I've bothered with a tux is when I'm featured with an orchestra if they are in tuxes. and a mask is not a part of your ensemble, it is a social necessity in a time of global pandemic. Get a good-quality, black mask and give the people your best. Most will be happier than if you weren't wearing a mask.

    Hi, RJ,
    I've never worn a tux to a gig. I wear a pleated, white, mandarin collar, tuxedo shirt and tuxedo pants. I've always tried to look professional when I play a Classical gig and it has paid off handsomely over the years with repeat and referral business. However, I just cant do the mask for any length of time. It doesn't work for me. Last night, I watched the Air Force Band on the 4th of July celebration at Mt. Rushmore . . . no masks. As far as John Williams, in my opinion, he is a consummate musician and brilliant technician, however he lacks the personal warmth and emotive qualities that make profound music as is the case with artists like Pavel Steidl, Ricardo Gallen, Roland Dyens, The Assad Brothers, Fabio Zanon, Ben Verdery, and Marcin Dylla . He also has a little faux hipster in him with his dress, at times, and his attempts at "crossover" music leave me cold. But, that's another subject. Thanks for your reply. Good playing . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    Good luck, J! Good playing . . . Marinero

    P.S. And, then there's the case of the drummer! Boom, chuckaluckala, boom, chuckalluckala.
    And now I have to miss a way hipper streaming thing with real players, that I'd do for free, and it would be good exposure b/c the leader is well-respected and has a following. Damn!

    Maybe we'll get fired. (Remember the Temptations' I Wish it Would Rain?)

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    Here in France, everything is a 'concert' - small or large. Occasionally, a festival gig may be styled a 'spectaculaire'. Jam sessions are termed 'beufs'. Don't ask!

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    Starting to really worry now about that outdoor gig w/all the spiking going on after the govs jumped the gun and re-opened (with moron Trump winking, of course) way too soon. Even the Texas governor pulled back, sensibly closing bars again, etc.

    I'm almost 66, in pretty damn decent health and want to stay that way. I've already become somewhat of a slacker, keeping the mask down unless people are afoot---masked or not. I played a streaming concert a few weeks ago---mask down and all kinds of unmasked people milling around, other performers and an audience sitting outside, no masks. Risky, and, arguably, stupid. My luck's gonna run out unless I smarten up.

    But we also have to go on living, so the avoidance dance continues: mask up when people approach, always looking over my shoulder, no getting in elevators with even one person. It's wearing me down, and I come home from errands in a dark, angry mood.

    So I'll play this once and vet very carefully. Want to make it to 86+, and I haven't come close yet to accomplishing all I want in life, let alone taking in the lands of this earth I haven't visited yet...

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    1) Surgeons seem to have no problem wearing surgical masks w/o passing out onto their patients so I'd expect classical guitar while seated shouldn't be an issue.

    2) Not wearing a mask will come off as disrespectful to the wedding party and guests, and probably as a political statement that may upset the happy couple and their guests.

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    My band resumed rehearsal (masks and distancing) a while back. We've resumed outdoor gigs (masks and distancing), but we are turning down the indoor gigs at this time.

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    We did a folk singaround in the park recently. Outdoors, it was a nice day. Only 6 people, sitting with two metres distanced. We wore masks while each person sang. Most of us removed their mask when it was their turn to sing (listeners keeping theirs on, although most joined in on the choruses in true folk singaround fashion). Two of us (including myself) kept their masks on when it was their turn to sing lead. Mine was a lightweight disposable mask. We sang for several hours. It was fun. I find the longer you have a mask on the easier it gets.

    I genuinely don't understand why someone performing instrumental music, not singing, would find it a problem. If you have a background in musical theatre or drama you'll have had to sing or play an instrument in all sorts of costumes. I played a halloween gig once (singing and playing guitar) while wearing a rubber zombie mask.

    I've gigged in rock bands when I've had food poisoning, flu, or no sleep. I'm sure many musicians will have been in the situation of having had to play when you can't hear what you're playing, or not being able to hear the vocalist, or the drummer or whatever. You use visual cues or rely on the particular bandmembers that you can hear.

    Worst gig I ever played with a band was in Bradford where the local venue had a special all you can buffet deal with the excellent local curry house. Delicious Indian food. We all tucked in like pigs. Needless to say, trying to sing and play Led-Zep style rock with bulging bellyfuls of bhuna, tikkha, saag and naan is less than ideal.

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    " I played a halloween gig once (singing and playing guitar) while wearing a rubber zombie mask." Matt


    Hi, M,
    This is, perhaps, one of the worst gigs of which I've heard I've heard in my life! Congrats to you! You're a tough guy!
    Good playing . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    " I played a halloween gig once (singing and playing guitar) while wearing a rubber zombie mask." Matt


    Hi, M,
    This is, perhaps, one of the worst gigs of which I've heard I've heard in my life! Congrats to you! You're a tough guy!
    Good playing . . . Marinero
    I wish I would've worn full masks so as not to be seen playing with some of the people I've had to over the years! And a hatch to escape through quick just in case anyone did recognize me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    I find masks both uncomfortable (they make my nose run) and a bit claustrophobic, but I do wear one when I am indoors in a public place. It is important that we all do so and I have no problems with their use being mandated (I am a libertarian full stop, but I also recognize that my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose). I had to spend 90 minutes getting a banking problem handled the other day and was not comfortable both because of the mask and because I started to feel that being inside for that long was putting myself at risk (I saw a few bank employees take their masks down when they were not with customers).

    I probably would not take the gig in question under the circumstances described by the OP myself.
    Right, I feel the same way. I can't stand wearing the things. Of course, it is only for a few minutes at a time. I am glad that there is a statewide order to make it mandatory inside all businesses at the current time. It makes sense. I wear it for my grocery shopping (15 minutes) and take it off immediately after (it's 95 here today). So it's not problem, but then again I am not attending parties and gatherings.

    But, playing a three hour gig wearing that?
    Marinero, I don't blame you. skip the gig man. Do something fun.