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[QUOTE=Mick-7;1410809]Don't know if this is fusion but certainly one of the oddest guitar tones I've ever heard, like a damaged Leslie speaker or something. However it appears to be the only tune on the album in which he uses it.
It does sound like he is playing through a Leslie. He may be plugged in along with the organ..thus the "less than leslie" sound
I played through one .. nice sound for some tunes.
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05-31-2025 11:08 PM
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... So is Glass Onion.
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So is Taylor Swift.
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That's vibrato. Sounds too deep to be a Leslie. Different from tremolo that varies the volume, vibrato varies the pitch.
Originally Posted by Mick-7
History of Vibrato - Effectrode
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Fortunately 90% of guitar players also have this one wrong. Originally Posted by ruger9
Tremolo arm, anyone?
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Yeah, it's wacky. Leo Fender called tremolo on his amps vibrato, and somewhere along the way the vibrato bar on guitars became known as the tremolo bar. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Then there's the silly 80's term "whammy bar" LOL. Still more accurate than tremolo LOL.
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True Story: The very first time I ever played a Guild Artist Award (in the original E.U.Wurlitzer's music store in Boston MA circa 1978 or '79) I knocked out a few iterations of Ted Nugent's "Cat Scratch Fever" just to see how it sounded. Originally Posted by wolflen
It did not sound like jazz.
But cot day-um did that guitar sound good. :drool:
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Any genre is a collection of traits that creators, audiences, and marketers agree belong together--and such collections are always subject to change, to remixing, to messing-around-with. The results are not metaphysical entities but semi-stable bodies of practice, and every kind of art I'm familiar with generates them.
So what traits trigger the response or recognition, "That's fusion"? From what I read in this thread, some of it is harmonic and some is what I'd call "texture"--say, playing post-bop harmonic material in a rock-band setup with post-1960s rock-band signal-processing. Or treating rock-like material with the harmonic and improvisational tools of bop and other jazz traditions. It's all about the composers and performers grabbing tools and raw materials from a big box of stuff and seeing what interesting things they can do with them. Some of those practices remain stable enough to become new genres. But genres are not really long-run stable--they always lead to extensions and mutations and (yes) fusions. Though the recipe or template that held together for long enough to get a name remains available, even if only as a revival or museum item. (See Vince Giordano's Nighthawks or Minnesota's Wolverines Big Band.)
I remember when Flim & the BBs popped up in the late 1970s. They were clearly playing jazz, but with some textures borrowed from what I thought of as prog-rock. And now that I think of it, maybe a dash of Carla Bley. (I should go back and listen to A Genuine Tong Funeral to see if that's the flavor I'm thinking of.) But it wasn't much like the other jazz or rock I was listening to at the time. (And it holds up pretty well 40 years on.)
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So where do we stand on the oft used term "wiggle stick" ? Originally Posted by ruger9
I'm not even going to speculate where THAT one came from!
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Jazz Rock: A History
Stuart Nicholson
New York : Schirmer Books, 1998, book jacket:
'Nicholson examines how commercial excess eventually undid jazz-rock's early promise through FM-friendly fusion that favored rampant virtuosity, the cute cadences of pop music, and non-threatening electronics.'
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WTH are "non-threatening electronics"??? These ridiculous writers with their word salads... Originally Posted by Litterick
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If there are two musical things I am certain of it's that Ihe Beatles and fusion both suck ass. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Anyone heard Madhouse, which is Prince's "fusion" project? He plays everything but saxophone.
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Post a clip and I'll tell you Originally Posted by Bob_Ross
. My opinion isn't even worth the 2 cents it's made of.
If you think over my proposal, it's a very ambiguous description of music.
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I never heard of it! Sounds like Watercolors on Sirius/XM ("smooth jazz") Originally Posted by supersoul
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Pretty sure these aren't it. Originally Posted by ruger9
EP–133
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The phrase is useful for making a distinction between the electronics of Return to Forever and those of Throbbing Gristle, or between Herbie Hancock and Nurse with Wound. Originally Posted by ruger9
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Oh dear... Originally Posted by lammie200
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I don't separate jazz and fusion. It is all jazz.
Fusion is different than Bebop, cool jazz or free jazz to be sure. Not to mention Swing, Dixieland, Gypsy jazz or hard bop. Different instrumentation, note choices and rhythms help us put music into a suitable sub-genre. But like all things, it is almost never black or white. And many players can be grouped into more than one musical genre or sub genres.
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Yeah, it's a song by song categorization.
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That "non-threatening electronics" means bands that don't strut around with loaded Glocks! Originally Posted by ruger9
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Ya vo...you mean one of these..of course Originally Posted by Doug B
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