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Another one from John A.
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02-24-2022 06:59 PM
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Gotta do the twiddles and twaddles, rags.
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I know
It's not fair
No one loves me any more
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This is for my friend Joyce who was tragically run over by a bus in 1984. She was a lovely lady and a very good twiddler. RIP, Joyce, wherever you may be
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I did this a few years ago. I did a sort of walking-bass comping, rather than use a backing track.
Incidentally the guitar was an Ibanez Artist 2619 which shows you can play jazz on a solid body!
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That backing was good!
To be fair, this tune's no walk in the park. Not only is the head a real obstacle course but the changes go all over the place. And it's not particularly slow either. It may look as though I'm taking the mickey with Joyce Pring, etc, but I don't think I want to start learning how to play this one. I mean, I'm not at Carnegie Hall this week and there's no upcoming CD...
And, if I'm honest, I'm a little distracted by this Ukraine thing. It's not easy to carry on like nothing's happening when that's in the air.
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Thanks, I don't often do the walking bass thing but it came out well here. I'd need to do some work on this tune before I could play it again though, the head is a right fiddly one.
The way I broke down the changes was as follows. It's really a series of ii-Vs, the bit that needs some care is when it goes to the IV in bar 4. Then it just works back down to the I again. Then for the second 8 it repeats the whole thing a semitone up.
For the bridge, it goes up another semitone then just descends ii-Vs to get back to the I again. Bars 6 and 7 of the bridge need a bit of attention, they escape the descending pattern, before it lands on the ii-V back to I, to start the last 8 bars.
I find I can more or less play these kind of changes without even thinking what they are now, just the sound of the harmonies and the familiar patterns are enough to guide my ear. I am quite surprised I can do this actually, I guess it shows it is possible!
I got a great Bruce Forman video where he teaches this stuff, he knows about 1000 tunes just by remembering the melody, which for him is enough to retrieve the implied chord changes out of his 'memory bank' as it were. Because actually most standards use pieces of the same patterns, he doesn't need to remember the actual changes in much detail. So I have been trying to do that, and it works sometimes!
As for the news hanging over us all, I agree it's hard not to think about it the whole time, it's worrying.
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Thanks for the info, I see your point. It'll be interesting to see what the others make of it. Re. the news... well, I better not.
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A tune this challenging, and with world events unfolding, I wonder if we could do a 2-week interval on this one? I'd love to work on it, but I know I can't get it in a week.
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Um... I have to say I'm inclined to say no, Lawson, because it would disturb the year-old flow of the threads. Many of these tunes are tricky and everyone might want to extend if we do.
Don't forget we can still post on previous threads even after the week has gone. I believe there's been a lot of activity on the Just Friends thread recently. New posts show up and we can all access them and get feedback.
Sorry, hope that's okay.
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Lawson, all along the "rule" has been to keep threads open and for people to be able to add their versions when they get them in shape. I don't see anything wrong with taking the time you need to take. The only downside is that (to the extent that you want it), you might not get as much feedback as you might if you posted within the week. I think this tune is very much up your alley based on the tunes you seem to have enjoyed most (i.e., it's got a bit of blues and a bit of bop in it, and the harmony doesn't have any outside weirdness to it). So I'd say just do what you can with it. If you get something within a week, great. If not, keep at it.
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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All right then, had a little time this afternoon, so here's a version complete with widdly-diddlies (imperfect though they may be).
FYI, this is a strat (in case it wasn't obvious). Why? Because I can ...
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You did all right with the widdlies, John... I took a duvet day
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For those who may (still) be interested :-)
You don't necessarily have to play the head. This is a long, complex head to play, especially on guitar, and we have basically a week to do it. A lot of us either can't do it, or haven't the time, and so on. In any case, this is the Improvisation thread, right? It's not about learning difficult heads.
So don't worry about the head if you don't want to. Imagine a horn section's doing the head and you only have to play the solo. That'll do fine.
Mind you, the changes aren't that simple either but we can give them a go.
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This'll do, after a fashion. If you like ballads :-)
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Re-learning that the pull-off is just as important as the hammer-on. Any twaddlers out there know what I mean? My attention has been wandering this week due to the crisis in Europe, but I hope to put my foot down and get something recorded before Thursday.
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Of course. I can't really play this head without hammer-ons and pull-offs (or sweeps) Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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I devoted today's practice time to this. All of a sudden, I got so many ideas for improvisation themes that it clogged my brain. I could hear Lullaby of Birdland, How High The Moon, Scrapple From the Apple, and I Hear Music in the Joy Spring changes. So I laid down a 3 minute comp with bass line, using all the styles discussed in that thread. But when I started to adapt the above heads to improvisation, it felt contrived - so I closed my eyes and let it flow, clams and all. Those tunes are still in there somewhere, but planning it out just felt wrong...
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38 years ago, MI Hollywood
Today, at home
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Ha! Bravo, hoho, I always knew you had it in you! Brilliant
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03-01-2022, 10:06 AM #21Dutchbopper Guest
John A. has good taste. This is DA tune. For me anyways. Here are a few takes. I have always been obsessed with this tune.
1. Bedroom clip. The head is exactly as played by Joe Pass, so in the lower register. I used the trancription by PMB (member here). I could post it here for those that would like to learn it this way.
2. Live clip by Trio Chet.
3. The original solo by Clifford on guitar (slowed down) with some useful licks lifted from it after the complete solo. A very old clip ...
4. The original solo by Clifford in real time for guitar and voice.
DB
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So you've studied this tune a bit then?
(I was going to post the Joe Pass Quartet version, which is about as good as it gets on guitar. I'm glad you got there first!)
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Great stuff, Dick. Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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Wow!!! Thanks DB! Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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Here’s my take on Joy Spring. Late to the party, I know, late spring…
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