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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Hard bop needs a bit of vibe, a bit of grit.
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02-25-2021 05:28 AM
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Another way of looking at that A section is that it’s half (well two thirds) of a Giant Steps
GS (in the same key)
G Bb7 Eb F#7 B D7
Night Dreamer
G Bb7 Eb D7
i don’t know if that makes it easier, but it means the tune is at least easier than Giant Steps haha
It also means that this tune might be a good halfway house to aim for before approaching Gs changes.
The difference is you can always play the blues scale on it... can’t do that on Coltrane changes!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I avoid blues scale - it is too easy for me, although the effect can be impressive at times if you use the blues scale in a balanced way.
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There is another intersting idea taken from well known spanish progresion:
gm F/ Eb D.... can be Gmaj7 Fm/Ebmaj7D7
Very creative thinking...
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I'm glad that you changed your mind, Lawson and gave that tune a try. Turned out to be a fine one to boot!
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Seeing all this controversy, I thought I'd better have a go! I just simplify this tune to 4 chords: G(m), Ab7, Bm, Cm. Actually the hardest bit was playing the melody, trying to get the rhythms correct on that middle bit.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by kris
I don’t see why you have to learn Giant Steps first. Learn ND first, and then complete the giant steps cycle later.
put a modified version of the ND progression in G/Eb and Eb/B and you’ve broken the back of Giant Steps.
D7 G Bb7 Eb
Bb7 Eb F#7 B
everything else is easy (2 5 1s) after that
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Originally Posted by grahambop
Note that Wayne has Bb on the G chord in the melody as well. So that’s how he heard it. And then there’s the solo.
but I’m sure theorists know how to play his music better than he does. The chord scale police would have arrested Wayne long ago.
BTW that backing track is a bit much. Is it an Aebersold?
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Originally Posted by kris
Also ‘Hit the Road Jack’
Its very cool
Giant steps/26-2 etc extends the bassline into a full whole tone scale
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I took my solo over what would be the melody, because yeah, once you get to the solo section on this track, Mr. piano player is getting LOUD. But i dunno, i kinda like that.
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Originally Posted by djg
It’s also a common turnaround. Gershwin uses it in Bess You are my Woman Now IIRC
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
TBF it’s hard to accompany a solo that isn’t there, even the for best in the business. If I was cutting a backing track record I’d get them to accompany a pre recorded solo on cans and cut it out
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The other thing that perhaps changes things is how low in the ‘mix’ the piano is compared to the horns on those Blue Note albums*, so the pianists can really crash around and it sounds great. In fact they kind of need to... I find it tough with this backing track though.
*yes I’m aware it was basically one mic, live in the room, but you know what I mean, acoustic piano some way from the mic.
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grahambop: excellent!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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The first 4 chords is a kind of turnaround.
Gmaj7 Bb7/Ebmaj7 D7
turnaround Gmaj7 Bb7/Ebmaj7 Abmaj or Gmaj7 Bb7/Ebmaj7 Ab7
Blues scale/pentatonicks works nice over turnaronds .Look a 2 last bars of every blues tune.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
So... I'm really glad I worked on this tune after all. Vindicating the principle of trusting the judgement of my musical peers and tackling something I'm not initially attracted to.
Your clip here cements that!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
All this made me go and listen to more Wayne stuff and I noticed how much he returns to pieces of the melody in a lot of his solos, a good approach to take.
(edit: I see Lawson said it was a Hal Leonard track.)
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Very intersting version of Bobby Watson ...29th Street Saxophone Quartet:
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
By the way I thought your solo was very good, nothing wrong with it at all!
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
Getting hung up on rhythms when transcribing
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