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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    In every system of humanity however, the alpha dogs of humanity wind up stomping on and exploiting the little people.
    Not true. If you want to say that human societies larger than some fairly small tribal scale tend to be hierarchical, you're on solid ground. But how those hierarchies actually work is much more diverse that you seem to think. Also, the idea of "alpha dog" has been discredited in canine-zoology and is inapplicable to human societies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Like it or not, that is Darwinism in play. IMO, anti-trust laws are helpful and should be applied to many of the big tech firms of today.
    It has nothing to do with Darwinism. Not even by analogy. In general, analogies between large scale social phenomena and evolutionary biology don't go well.

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  3. #177

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    ). The concentration of power in the hands of large corporations is a problem that needs to be addressed.
    And you voted against this.

    We all saw Elon Musk try to tank the budget last week. Threatening to use his wealth to primary people who don’t get in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    And you voted against this.

    We all saw Elon Musk try to tank the budget last week. Threatening to use his wealth to primary people who don’t get in line.
    Musk attempted to stop the runaway debt fueled spending. I am glad someone is at least trying to do that. That time bomb might explode one day, and it will be bad for most of us if it does. Musk, OTOH, has so much wealth, that it won't affect him. So Bravo to him for trying to help the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Musk attempted to stop the runaway debt fueled spending. I am glad someone is at least trying to do that. That time bomb might explode one day, and it will be bad for most of us if it does. Musk, OTOH, has so much wealth, that it won't affect him. So Bravo to him for trying to help the rest of us.
    But that’s not what happened. He was seeking an expanded or eradicated debt limit. Literally seeking runaway debt.

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    The only efficiency DOGE is going to look for is how to efficiently give more no-bid contracts to GOP donors and allies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    The only efficiency DOGE is going to look for is how to efficiently give more no-bid contracts to GOP donors and allies.
    I hope you are wrong about that, but you could be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Musk attempted to stop the runaway debt fueled spending. I am glad someone is at least trying to do that. That time bomb might explode one day, and it will be bad for most of us if it does. Musk, OTOH, has so much wealth, that it won't affect him. So Bravo to him for trying to help the rest of us.
    Nonsense. Libertarian poster boy Musk as usual exerted his power for his own self interest. Notice how the spending bill omitted the section about investment and tech transferral to China? Having someone so close to power with so much money and so many government contracts is leading to an oligarchy system like Russia.

    One thing I’ve noticed about wealthy people, and I’ve known a few, no matter how much they have, and how much power they have, it’s never enough. Let’s see Musk do something that actually might not be to his advantage before we deify him.

    I think we’ll see that he’s just another narcissist who has to have his way. Smart guy though. Sorry I drive a Tesla btw.

    If he sends me a nice L5 I might feel differently btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    But that’s not what happened. He was seeking an expanded or eradicated debt limit. Literally seeking runaway debt.
    That and Musk was looking to kill regulations impinging on his business in China that were part of the budget package. The idea that Musk, whose fortune is built mainly on public-sector spending, is looking to reduce public spending is comical. He is looking to divert as much as possible into his own pockets and thinks he can manipulate Trump into doing that for him. And he's a spiteful prick who wants to torpedo anything that doesn't help him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejaybill
    . Sorry I drive a Tesla btw.
    If the politics of the maker bothers you, sell the Tesla. Then you won't be sorry.

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    3 pet peeves;

    1. Naming your guitar. I typically find its name on the headstock.

    2. saxophones/saxophonists

    3. people who turn every discussion political

    Bonus peeve:

    4. people who complain about everything

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    People who show great admiration or adulation for someone until they find out that person doesn't see the world through the same political lens.

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    Or forum members you think you're getting along with marvelously because they seem to share all the same reasons why you're on that forum too - and then they start talking about their societal, political or religious life convictions and you're reminded why so many people maintain that you can't make friends online?

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    I like to talk politics here. If I get childish or petty, or have something wrong, I get called out and then I reflect on that. In real life people are likely to roll their eyes and let me stay ignorant.

    I ain’t afraid of being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    I like to talk politics here. If I get childish or petty, or have something wrong, I get called out and then I reflect on that. In real life people are likely to roll their eyes and let me stay ignorant.

    I ain’t afraid of being wrong.
    It's fun to listen to everyone talk like we are world leaders out to fix all the problems, like any of our forum banter matters..... We'd probably screw it up worse than the idiots already in charge. Musicians leading the way, lol. Who's getting out of their chair first?

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    "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend."
    - Thomas Jefferson

    This forum is always useful in so many ways, including marveling at the variety of opinions, the often high level of scholarship on other subjects, taking the temperature of the general public, and frequently stimulating me to reexamine some of my own beliefs and understanding, including this thread.

    While entertaining, I do wonder why an opportunity to complain draws so much attention, when we could instead focus on what is right in each of our respective worlds. And of course, here I am, indulging in the same attractive mindset.

    Why does pointing out fault in the world fascinate us so, do you think? Reinforcement of our own worldview and choices in life? Tribalism? Intellectual laziness? Probably all of the above for me.

    And Merry Christmas, by the way. I AM blessed with an early morning fire, coffee, 2 dogs and an amazing wife still asleep, and no impending divorce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Musk attempted to stop the runaway debt fueled spending. I am glad someone is at least trying to do that. That time bomb might explode one day, and it will be bad for most of us if it does. Musk, OTOH, has so much wealth, that it won't affect him. So Bravo to him for trying to help the rest of us.
    Musk is a sociopath.
    Trump added $7 trillion to the debt in his last term with his tax cut for the rich. Bush had already added trillions with his giveaway tax cuts to the rich. The debt has exploded under Repubs and it will increase even more now.

    http://https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tax-cuts-are-primarily-responsible-for-the-increasing-debt-ratio/

    Supply side economics is a complete scam by the rich but Americans are stupid enough to believe and vote for anything as 54% read at a sixth grade level or below.

    Enjoy America. You voted for your own demise like roaches begging for more Raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lkdog
    Musk is a sociopath.
    Trump added $7 trillion to the debt in his last term with his tax cut for the rich. Bush had already added trillions with his giveaway tax cuts to the rich. The debt has exploded under Repubs and it will increase even more now.
    Nor are they great with job creation and building wealth for anyone else except for the upper class. But most people besides the upper class are still banking on the promise that those things will improve. I have never seen good results during my lifetime, but faith and hope dominate because they don’t present difficult challenges. When someone in power says “Don’t worry, I’ll take care of you,” large swathes of people believe them even though the people in power have never provided the desired results. Pretty much the definition of insanity although the people in power view it as compliance that can be exploited. It’s natural and predictable.

    My pet peeve is trying to pass people walking on sidewalks that seem to take up the entire sidewalk width. Something about the way they walk makes it seem unpredictable about the direction of their next move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    Nor are they great with job creation and building wealth for anyone else except for the upper class. But most people besides the upper class are still banking on the promise that those things will improve. I have never seen good results during my lifetime, but faith and hope dominate because they don’t present difficult challenges. When someone in power says “Don’t worry, I’ll take care of you,” large swathes of people believe them even though the people in power have never provided the desired results. Pretty much the definition of insanity although the people in power view it as compliance that can be exploited. It’s natural and predictable.

    My pet peeve is trying to pass people walking on sidewalks that seem to take up the entire sidewalk width. Something about the way they walk makes it seem unpredictable about the direction of their next move.
    Cheap gas and groceries helps build wealth for this small person. Expensive fuel means less take home pay for gigging musician.

    It's also kinda annoying when collectors of 5k+ guitars pontificate on what makes or breaks the lower classes. I don't think half this forum gets it because most members here seem like upper middle class, which I find are generally the most left leaning of everyone. Add upper middle class plus jazz enjoyer and it seems to be the perfect recipe for political buffoonery. Rich enough to insulate themselves from the results of their politics meanwhile assuming everyone will have it as easy as they do once their ideals are put into practice. It's like living in west Austin posting around here sometimes. Seems like a socialists paradise until it's revealed your lifestyle is made possible by a state filled with people that are overwhelmingly red voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Cheap gas and groceries helps build wealth for this small person. Expensive fuel means less take home pay for gigging musician.
    Wealth as being able to retire well enough and early enough to be able to enjoy it. If cheap gas and lower grocery bills helps a vast amount of people devote a great deal more of their funds towards their retirements then the promises have been kept. Never seen it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    Wealth as being able to retire well enough and early enough to be able to enjoy it. If cheap gas and lower grocery bills helps a vast amount of people devote a great deal more of their funds towards their retirements then the promises have been kept. Never seen it happen.
    Me neither. It would be naive for me to think that everyone can achieve wealth through political means. Utopian societies spawned by humanity are a mirage.

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    I'll resist jumping into the politics that have been injected here by some. No one of us is correct 100% of the time.

    Saw a sign in the front of a gas station in a small Wisconsin town this summer that said...."stop watching and listening to the news AND start living".

    I'm thankful for everything and everyone in my life and am smart enough to know that there is no upside to hatred or envy.

    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Cheap gas and groceries helps build wealth for this small person. Expensive fuel means less take home pay for gigging musician.

    It's also kinda annoying when collectors of 5k+ guitars pontificate on what makes or breaks the lower classes. I don't think half this forum gets it because most members here seem like upper middle class, which I find are generally the most left leaning of everyone. Add upper middle class plus jazz enjoyer and it seems to be the perfect recipe for political buffoonery. Rich enough to insulate themselves from the results of their politics meanwhile assuming everyone will have it as easy as they do once their ideals are put into practice. It's like living in west Austin posting around here sometimes. Seems like a socialists paradise until it's revealed your lifestyle is made possible by a state filled with people that are overwhelmingly red voters.
    Man, it’s not that easy. Labor laws let Walmart pay people poverty wages and their employees live off food stamps. Essentially, subpar wages make corporations like Walmart the socialist drain on society.

    Not only do they decimate small business, they take profits out of the community and add the burden of low wages and less opportunities.

    It’s not a red or blue issue. Most people just want to go to work and earn enough to take care of their family. Regardless of how they feel about hot button 24 hour news network issues.

    We regular folk should organize on that, but people love to fall into divisive ruts.

    Both parties have figured out a way to blame the other for the same problem. I feel like one is better than the other, but neither want what is best for us all. We’d already have universal healthcare if they wanted to improve America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Cheap gas and groceries helps build wealth for this small person. Expensive fuel means less take home pay for gigging musician.

    It's also kinda annoying when collectors of 5k+ guitars pontificate on what makes or breaks the lower classes. I don't think half this forum gets it because most members here seem like upper middle class, which I find are generally the most left leaning of everyone. Add upper middle class plus jazz enjoyer and it seems to be the perfect recipe for political buffoonery. Rich enough to insulate themselves from the results of their politics meanwhile assuming everyone will have it as easy as they do once their ideals are put into practice. It's like living in west Austin posting around here sometimes. Seems like a socialists paradise until it's revealed your lifestyle is made possible by a state filled with people that are overwhelmingly red voters.
    I think that's your prejudices and blindspots at work and not at all an accurate assessment of the people you disagree with here. Happy Channukah, tikkun olam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    Cheap gas and groceries helps build wealth for this small person. Expensive fuel means less take home pay for gigging musician.

    It's also kinda annoying when collectors of 5k+ guitars pontificate on what makes or breaks the lower classes. I don't think half this forum gets it because most members here seem like upper middle class, which I find are generally the most left leaning of everyone. Add upper middle class plus jazz enjoyer and it seems to be the perfect recipe for political buffoonery. Rich enough to insulate themselves from the results of their politics meanwhile assuming everyone will have it as easy as they do once their ideals are put into practice. It's like living in west Austin posting around here sometimes. Seems like a socialists paradise until it's revealed your lifestyle is made possible by a state filled with people that are overwhelmingly red voters.
    Not a very coherent post, this.

    As far as I am aware I'm the only person on this forum who has argued in favour of socialism, and I certainly am not 'upper middle class'.