Pet Peeves -- What's yours?

[garybaldy]

Plus who says "check out my new axe ain't IT sweet?" Naw, you say, "check out my new axe ain't she sweet?"

Never knew this was about a guitar!

[wintermoon]

There's a certain well known guitar dealer that refers to every guitar he sells as "she comes w her original this or that, she sounds great and she has her original case"
Honestly gets tiresome reading his ads.

[garybaldy]

There's a certain well known guitar dealer that refers to every guitar he sells as "she comes w her original this or that, she sounds great and she has her original case"
Honestly gets tiresome reading his ads.

Who's she - the cat's Mother?
At least call her by her name!

[Doctor Jeff]

Pet peeve? Libertarians.

Everyone is entitled to what they want. As long as it doesn't impede on what I want. Or threaten it a little. Or just make me upset. Then they can't have that. But I can have what I want. But they can't.

Yeah I get it. I have mostly libertarian impulses.

Most people who “claim” to be libertarian (Rand Paul for instance) wouldn’t know libertarian if it bit them on the butt.

Ayn Rand was a real libertarian. A horrible person and role model, and mostly a bad policy advocate, but pretty consistent philosophically.

I guess I’m a Frank Zappa libertarian.

BTW, maybe you know this, but Frank Zappa testified to Congress against the “warning labels” on records promoted by Tipper Gore’s group, the PMRC. Al Gore questioned Frank and started out saying that he was a fan. That didn’t keep Zappa from making fun of the PMRC and politicians in general in his subsequent albums (one features actual testimony from the hearing…not his most scintillating stuff, IMO).

Well the weird part is that Frank and Gail Zappa and Tipper became very good friends. She would stay at their house when she was in LA.

She is also a drummer. According to the Wiki:

In high school, Gore was the drummer for an all-female band called the Wildcats. She has played drums with members of the Grateful Dead, and during the second night of the Spring 2009 Dead tour, Tipper Gore sat in playing drums during the closing song "Sugar Magnolia". In 2000, she appeared on stage at the Equality Rocks concert at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium to play to a crowd of 45,000 prior to the Millennium March on Washington. Later that year, she played with Willie Nelson during his set at Farm Aid. She played with Herbie Hancock at the 25th Thelonious Monk International Jazz Competition in 2012.

[DawgBone]

"Cringe" my ass.

[Stringswinger]

Interestingly I see my guitars as females (they are pretty) and yet I see my motorcycles as males (they are stallions ).

I don't worry about proper pronouns for any of them.

[RJVB]

Plus who says "check out my new axe ain't IT sweet?" Naw, you say, "check out my new axe ain't she sweet?"

I'd say that about my sword (which is kind a weird really) but an axe would be a definite he. Never mind how often I'd like to chop down things with some of the women in my life

[garybaldy]

And what's with this woman tone nonsense? My take on woman tone is an Asian Strat bridge pickup with no load though a treble booster and bass and mid tone controls at zero.

[Jimmy Mack]

Named after ME:

[Woody Sound]

Pet peeve? Libertarians.

Everyone is entitled to what they want. As long as it doesn't impede on what I want. Or threaten it a little. Or just make me upset. Then they can't have that. But I can have what I want. But they can't.

100%.

"WHY SHOULD I PAY TAXES??? (Then), WHY ARE OUR ROADS NOT PLOWED SO I CAN GET TO WORK???"

I have yet to meet a libertarian who agrees to be COMPLETELY responsible for themself. In life a/o death.

"I don't need to pay for insurance. But I'll run to the hospital and make everyone else pay for it, instead of holding to my principles and just dying without others' financial help."

[Stringswinger]

You guys are very misinformed about libertarianism. And you are smug about it. You must have voted for Harris in the last election. Once again proving how misinformed you are.

[mr. beaumont]

It's the "Ill take my ball and go home" party.

[Litterick]

My pet peeve is threads that disintegrate into fighting about the recent US presidential election.

[Greywolf]

Amen!

I find shippers who have signature required deliveries and don't show up, don't update tracking until after the target is missed .

Really ... I know it's the holidays and it's chaos, but a little attention to detail goes a long way

[RJVB]

100%.

Personally I don't mind them but apparently they're not to be confused with

[Tal_175]

You guys are very misinformed about libertarianism. And you are smug about it. You must have voted for Harris in the last election. Once again proving how misinformed you are.

It's funny how your posts swing between lecturing about not talking about politics and bringing up the election. You should receive the 2024 JGO self awareness award along with the confirmation bias expert Ruger9. The Trump cult representatives of the forum.

[James W]

You guys are very misinformed about libertarianism. And you are smug about it. You must have voted for Harris in the last election. Once again proving how misinformed you are.

Libertarianism was originally a left-wing movement. And there are still many today who subscribe to its true original meaning - though the term nowadays is more associated with the right-wing version.

The right-wing version isn't libertarian at all, as far as I can see - the tyranny of privately-owned corporations has nothing to do with freedom as a principle that applies to everyone. It's just the 'freedom' to stomp on people, to exploit them.

[Stringswinger]

Libertarianism was originally a left-wing movement. And there are still many today who subscribe to its true original meaning - though the term nowadays is more associated with the right-wing version.

The right-wing version isn't libertarian at all, as far as I can see - the tyranny of privately-owned corporations has nothing to do with freedom as a principle that applies to everyone. It's just the 'freedom' to stomp on people, to exploit them.

You are correct that Libertarianism was indeed a left-wing movement back in the day. It was born out of the Anarchist movement (See Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, Berkman and their fellow Anarchists. I think the modern right-wing version is a different point of view, but still has a place in the pantheon of political philosophies. I would agree with your thesis in regards to big Corporations (most privately owned corporations are small businesses). The concentration of power in the hands of large corporations is a problem that needs to be addressed. In every system of humanity however, the alpha dogs of humanity wind up stomping on and exploiting the little people. Like it or not, that is Darwinism in play. IMO, anti-trust laws are helpful and should be applied to many of the big tech firms of today.

[Stringswinger]

It's funny how your posts swing between lecturing about not talking about politics and bringing up the election. You should receive the 2024 JGO self awareness award along with the confirmation bias expert Ruger9. The Trump cult representatives of the forum.

If it were up to me, politics would be off limits in this forum, but since it is not, I will respond to the patently false assertions of any posters as I see fit. It is good sport.

[garybaldy]

Another, - people that clap to the beat of music when it's not just on 2 and 4.

[John A.]

Libertarianism was originally a left-wing movement. And there are still many today who subscribe to its true original meaning - though the term nowadays is more associated with the right-wing version.

The right-wing version isn't libertarian at all, as far as I can see - the tyranny of privately-owned corporations has nothing to do with freedom as a principle that applies to everyone. It's just the 'freedom' to stomp on people, to exploit them.

Libertarianism as a collection of ideas long predates any modern sense of "left" and "right" (which began with the French revolution). But, yes, left wing forms of libertarianism (e.g., various stripes of anti-statist revolutionary movements in the 19th century, anarchism) precede the sense that "libertarian" conveys in US politics now, which is essentially a post-WWII ideology.

Anyway, the way I see it, collective and individual interests are inherently in tension in any society. Individual rights and freedoms are obviously the foundation of a fair and just society. But people can't survive as autonomous individuals, and as a matter of anthropology we are collective, social beings. So just societies have to constantly and consciously seek balance between the individual and the collective.

I tend to lean heavily toward favoring the individual, especially in matters of expression, personal morality, and association. But I think it's important to interrogate the meaning of "freedom" and "individual liberty" and understand the extent to which both state and private enterprise impinge on them. In my view, people who are trapped in multigenerational poverty, sick without access to care, compelled to work in conditions that threaten their health, excluded from opportunity for reasons of prejudice, etc., are not really free. That lack of freedom is enforced by the intertwinement of mass state and private economic power. So if you call yourself a libertarian but oppose constraints on economic power, you're not really a libertarian.

[James W]

Like it or not, that is Darwinism in play.

FWIW Kropotkin wrote a book Mutual Aid about how cooperation is just as if not more a factor in evolution than competition.

[Stringswinger]

Libertarianism as a collection of ideas long predates any modern sense of "left" and "right" (which began with the French revolution). But, yes, left wing forms of libertarianism (e.g., various stripes of anti-statist revolutionary movements in the 19th century, anarchism) precede the sense that "libertarian" conveys in US politics now, which is essentially a post-WWII ideology.

Anyway, the way I see it, collective and individual interests are inherently in tension in any society. Individual rights and freedoms are obviously the foundation of a fair and just society. But people can't survive as autonomous individuals, and as a matter of anthropology we are collective, social beings. So just societies have to constantly and consciously seek balance between the individual and the collective.

I tend to lean heavily toward favoring the individual, especially in matters of expression, personal morality, and association. But I think it's important to interrogate the meaning of "freedom" and "individual liberty" and understand the extent to which both state and private enterprise impinge on them. In my view, people who are trapped in multigenerational poverty, sick without access to care, compelled to work in conditions that threaten their health, excluded from opportunity for reasons of prejudice, etc., are not really free. That lack of freedom is enforced by the intertwinement of mass state and private economic power. So if you call yourself a libertarian but oppose constraints on economic power, you're not really a libertarian.

For me, it is always a balancing act between freedom and fairness. While I tend to favor freedom in that balancing act, IMO, the freedom to discriminate is so patently unfair that I do not think society should allow it. And I think a woman's freedom to do as she wants with her body trumps the unfairness to the unborn child when it comes to abortion rights. But others may disagree with me on both of those points and so be it. We cannot have any kind of consensus if we don't hear all sides to an argument.

[James W]

Libertarianism as a collection of ideas long predates any modern sense of "left" and "right" (which began with the French revolution). But, yes, left wing forms of libertarianism (e.g., various stripes of anti-statist revolutionary movements in the 19th century, anarchism) precede the sense that "libertarian" conveys in US politics now, which is essentially a post-WWII ideology.

As a collection of ideas perhaps, but the etymology of the word seems to be from around the time of the French revolution.

Anyway, the way I see it, collective and individual interests are inherently in tension in any society. Individual rights and freedoms are obviously the foundation of a fair and just society. But people can't survive as autonomous individuals, and as a matter of anthropology we are collective, social beings. So just societies have to constantly and consciously seek balance between the individual and the collective.

I tend to lean heavily toward favoring the individual, especially in matters of expression, personal morality, and association. But I think it's important to interrogate the meaning of "freedom" and "individual liberty" and understand the extent to which both state and private enterprise impinge on them. In my view, people who are trapped in multigenerational poverty, sick without access to care, compelled to work in conditions that threaten their health, excluded from opportunity for reasons of prejudice, etc., are not really free. That lack of freedom is enforced by the intertwinement of mass state and private economic power. So if you call yourself a libertarian but oppose constraints on economic power, you're not really a libertarian.

I would agree with this.

Essentially, I am in favour of democratising the economic sphere - corporations held in common democratically, one person one vote, as laid out in Yanis Varoufakis's excellent book Another Now (though I hasten to add, this was strongly influenced by his experience working in a corporation organised along such lines in the USA).

[Stringswinger]

FWIW Kropotkin wrote a book Mutual Aid about how cooperation is just as if not more a factor in evolution than competition.

I have read Mutual Aid. It is not as entertaining as Prince Kropotkin's book " Memoirs of a Revolutionist", but it is still a good read. The ideas expressed are interesting, but based on a notion that people are inherently good. Call me a cynic, but my experience in life has proven to me that most people are quite capable of bad behavior to others given the right circumstances. And that is why every socialist revolution has been betrayed.