Fusion Jazz Guitar Gear?

[citizenk74]

I've played with a couple of SVT players. The first had the full cabinet. Made my Sunn Concert Lead/Traynor 6-10" rig seem like a picnic basket by comparison. Much later a lad withe the SVT running through an 18" EV-loaded cab amplifying his early Music Man (Saber, IIRC) redefined "great bass tone" for me. And well into the '90s I was lugging two Plexi heads (50 & 100 watt) and a basket-weave half-stack up and down as many as 3 flight of stairs to get the tone I wanted. The Scholz Power Soak tamed the roar to a mic-friendly purr. These days the Vibro Champ, the JazzKat, and the AI Corus III are more on point, of course.

[yebdox]

just be glad you weren't the bass player

an ampeg svt with 8-10" speaker cab is around 200lbs!! the fridge!!! it's known as!!



cheers

ps- those old boogies used big mag altec or ev speakers..they were heavy!!

I kept the SRO that came with mine and had it reconed - what a tank. Sounds great, though.

[yebdox]

I've played with a couple of SVT players. The first had the full cabinet. Made my Sunn Concert Lead/Traynor 6-10" rig seem like a picnic basket by comparison. Much later a lad withe the SVT running through an 18" EV-loaded cab amplifying his early Music Man (Saber, IIRC) redefined "great bass tone" for me. And well into the '90s I was lugging two Plexi heads (50 & 100 watt) and a basket-weave half-stack up and down as many as 3 flight of stairs to get the tone I wanted. The Scholz Power Soak tamed the roar to a mic-friendly purr. These days the Vibro Champ, the JazzKat, and the AI Corus III are more on point, of course.

I don't mind lifting somewhat heavy amps to enjoy good sound when I'm playing, but I don't gig anywhere near what I did in my 20's. But the thing that killed me was carrying the B-3 our keyboard player owned, up and down stages and staircases, back alleys, etc. Would have been slightly less painful if he actually sounded good. Our DRUMMER was a better keyboard player. Oh, well. Makes for memories.

[WillMbCdn5]

A Retro Fusion moment !! sponsored by Robaxocet

Will

[Bluedawg]

just be glad you weren't the bass player

an ampeg svt with 8-10" speaker cab is around 200lbs!! the fridge!!! it's known as!!



cheers

ps- those old boogies used big mag altec or ev speakers..they were heavy!!

I played bass in a church/praise music style band with one of these monsters ...

The sound is fantastic

Unfortunately ... or maybe fortunately ... it wasn't mine ....

glad I don't have to haul it around or find a place to park it


I have a little Mark bass amp that has been great for most of my bass gigging ... which is all of the gigs I've been getting lately

[citizenk74]

I don't mind lifting somewhat heavy amps to enjoy good sound when I'm playing, but I don't gig anywhere near what I did in my 20's. But the thing that killed me was carrying the B-3 our keyboard player owned, up and down stages and staircases, back alleys, etc. Would have been slightly less painful if he actually sounded good. Our DRUMMER was a better keyboard player. Oh, well. Makes for memories.

I helped move a B-3 once.

Once was enough.

[mr quick]

For my own stuff/free time I play fusion almost exclusively. The most important gear I have is:

-Gibson ES-139
-Wampler Euphoria overdrive
-DV Mark Jazz 12

...although I can survive with any decent TS pedal as well. What I use most is chorus and overdrive. The ES is as always irreplacable.

I hope to one day be able to afford an Axe FX - a buddy of mine got it and I was blown away by how it sounded. I could've never told the difference between its chorus and my 1982 CE-2 pedal.

[jzucker]

yeah, the axefx and kemper are wonderful. Kemper has mediocre effects though which is why I stayed with fractal but i have heard that many of the nashville guys are switching over to kemper. That's how good the modeling is these days.

For my own stuff/free time I play fusion almost exclusively. The most important gear I have is:

-Gibson ES-139
-Wampler Euphoria overdrive
-DV Mark Jazz 12

...although I can survive with any decent TS pedal as well. What I use most is chorus and overdrive. The ES is as always irreplacable.

I hope to one day be able to afford an Axe FX - a buddy of mine got it and I was blown away by how it sounded. I could've never told the difference between its chorus and my 1982 CE-2 pedal.

[mr quick]

I didn't get to experiment too much with the OD's and amps and whatnot, but I can't imagine the axe actually keeping up with a wampler overdrive. That may well just be stupid technophobia, and I'd love to be proven wrong

[jzucker]

I didn't get to experiment too much with the OD's and amps and whatnot, but I can't imagine the axe actually keeping up with a wampler overdrive. That may well just be stupid technophobia, and I'd love to be proven wrong

I don't know which wampler you are referring to but I have a zendrive, a wampler euphoria and several other overdrives, wahs, choruses, wampler faux tape echo, wampler reverb, boss reverb and many more and the axefx sounds as good or better (in the case of the delay/reverb) than any of them.

[christianm77]

I think if I was doing more electric commercial stuff I’d buy a modelling unit.
Axe FX seems pretty standard but I’d just get what ever the industry standard was at that point.

Analog amp and pedals etc are kind of cool but rapidly become a pain when you have to do it a lot.

Have any of you guys worked with axe fx just through a pa it is it best to use your own speaker still?

[jzucker]

I use PA speakers with mine. I have a pair of cheap/light Alto TS210A speakers and a QSC K12 speaker (getting a second one soon). For the clubs that have house systems (not 100% of them by any means) I usually go through the house system as well but I would never depend on "only the house" without some type of backline.

I think if I was doing more electric commercial stuff I’d buy a modelling unit.
Axe FX seems pretty standard but I’d just get what ever the industry standard was at that point.

Analog amp and pedals etc are kind of cool but rapidly become a pain when you have to do it a lot.

Have any of you guys worked with axe fx just through a pa it is it best to use your own speaker still?

[jzucker]

and reiterating, there are few pedals that sound better than the axefx. The only ones I have tried that do are the strymon time based ones which I happen to not care for because of the treble boost they impart.

[John A.]

I use PA speakers with mine. I have a pair of cheap/light Alto TS210A speakers and a QSC K12 speaker (getting a second one soon). For the clubs that have house systems (not 100% of them by any means) I usually go through the house system as well but I would never depend on "only the house" without some type of backline.

How do you record with it? Do you mic the cab, or do some sort of DI?

John

[jzucker]

all of the outputs are "direct output" with cabinet, mic modeling. You can also go digital out and even a raw output with no effects that you can do re-amping with. I just take the xlr outputs that would normally go FOH and run them into my recording console.

How do you record with it? Do you mic the cab, or do some sort of DI?

John

[mr quick]

I don't know which wampler you are referring to but I have a zendrive, a wampler euphoria and several other overdrives, wahs, choruses, wampler faux tape echo, wampler reverb, boss reverb and many more and the axefx sounds as good or better (in the case of the delay/reverb) than any of them.

Euphoria's what I use. I'll take your word on it, the Axe Fx moves to the top of my buy list.
Do you think that the price'll drop on used II units now that the III is launched?

[jzucker]

I've already seen some price drops. I have seen them at $1100. I like the AX8 though because it has the pedalboard built in. The price on those seems to be pretty steady.

Euphoria's what I use. I'll take your word on it, the Axe Fx moves to the top of my buy list.
Do you think that the price'll drop on used II units now that the III is launched?

[Doug B]

Mark Letteieri solo stuff and with Snarky Puppy new fusion type music.

[DRS]

I've had a number of boogie amps, MK 1, Mk II C+, Mk III simulclass, MK IV.

My favorite was the MK IIC+. Unfortunately, it weighed 80lbs and didn't start "singing" until you were playing really loud so for most casuals, it was stiff sounding.

Frankly, the fractal stuff is so close, I can't imagine anyone wanting to gig with a setup like that anymore.

Yeah, tell me about it, Jack!

I got a 60-watt Mark II-B, and it was simply impossible to use as intended in the small stages I was playing in Europe in the '80s. And it indeed sounded pretty, pretty, pretty stiff, even with pedals in the front.

I simply had to let it go... losing quite a bit of money in the process. Talking about taming a wild horse being a city mouse...

The new(ish) MkV:25 is a pretty nice amp in a small package <20lbs with great tone at manageable volumes. I have a pine open back cab so with the amp in one hand, cab in the other, guitar on my back in a mono bag, I am pretty mobile.

[LtKojak]

The new(ish) MkV:25 is a pretty nice amp in a small package <20lbs with great tone at manageable volumes.

It may as well be, however, it came out about over 35 years too late for me.

[mr quick]

I've already seen some price drops. I have seen them at $1100. I like the AX8 though because it has the pedalboard built in. The price on those seems to be pretty steady.

Unfortunately they're quite a bit more expensive here. The only used AX8 i can find online is over $1500

[jzucker]

Unfortunately they're quite a bit more expensive here. The only used AX8 i can find online is over $1500

you misunderstood me. The ax8 has not dropped in price. The axefx II is the one that has. The ax8 is still going for full retail , even used because there are production shortages of it.

[mr quick]

Oops! Makes sense