Fusion Jazz Guitar Gear?

**mr. beaumont** · 04-04-2018, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

It's not the recording! Farrell actually stops in the middle of his solo to figure out what's going on with the time. You can hear stanley speed up and slow down.

It's funny, I never noticed it until you called it, but yeah, Stanley jumping those changes early all over the place too...

It's odd I never figured that out, and the "stop" in Farrell''s solo always seemed abrupt to me.

**neatomic** · 04-04-2018, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

It's not the recording! Farrell actually stops in the middle of his solo to figure out what's going on with the time. You can hear stanley speed up and slow down.

hah...i guess i just can't bring myself to dis stanley!!...having seen him live with rtf and loving most of his early recordings...he was a revelation!

obviously it mustn't have bothered farrell...he and stanley got together about a month later, to record farrells moon germs album...he even featured a stanley penned tune

cheers

**christianm77** · 04-04-2018, 04:43 PM

I blame Scientology

**gcb** · 04-04-2018, 05:24 PM

Luis Salinas connects well with people:

**LtKojak** · 04-05-2018, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by gcb

Luis Salinas connects well with people:

This song checks all the boxes of the "quintaessential" elements normally associated with Smooth Jazz. He does remind me a bit of the "Breezin'" era George Benson. The rhythm base sounds like a personal interpretetation of salsa, with a clever wordplay on his own name.

He's a monster of a player, specially in his takes on argentinian and brazilian folklore songs and his technique on classical guitar. I don't know if he's a conservatory graduate, but he sure does sound like one, and a great one, I may add.

**John A.** · 04-05-2018, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

It's funny, I never noticed it until you called it, but yeah, Stanley jumping those changes early all over the place too...

It's odd I never figured that out, and the "stop" in Farrell''s solo always seemed abrupt to me.

I just listened through it a couple of times. To be fair, Clarke is so consistently ahead of Corea that it could have been on purpose. The busy-ness of what he was doing didn't help. Ditto for Corea's comping. Farrell stopped in more than one place, and Corea is playing so much it's almost like call and response. I hadn't listened to this in ages and didn't remember any of this rhythmic tension.

John

**Hep To The Jive** · 04-05-2018, 12:40 PM

Ok, was this band, KNOWER mentioned here yet? I'm curious what you think, is it kinda fusion, hipster fusion, millennial's fusion? I think they do have connection to Snarky Puppy, which is considered somewhat fusion (but pretty boring to me). This is entertaining!

**christianm77** · 04-05-2018, 01:03 PM

I like Knower. The live band stuff is more fusion.... their studio stuff goes from EDM to pop to things that defy easy description.

Also the thundercat live stuff is pretty fusioney.

I mean his keys player Dennis Hamm (who also payed with Knower) was Holdsworth’s keys player. That’s pretty solid fusion credentials.

**citizenk74** · 04-05-2018, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive

Ok, was this band, KNOWER mentioned here yet? I'm curious what you think, is it kinda fusion, hipster fusion, millennial's fusion? I think they do have connection to Snarky Puppy, which is considered somewhat fusion (but pretty boring to me). This is entertaining!

Like. Extra points for small-kit drummer and Leslie Neilson.

**christianm77** · 04-05-2018, 01:29 PM

Lefevbre!

**DRS** · 04-06-2018, 09:57 AM

Funny how this thread went from a gear thread to a "let's bash Chick" thread. Pity.
I think a nice Mesa Boogie Mark series and any decent humbucking semi-hollow or solid body guitar would sound great. I've also owned the Mesa Fluxdrive into a clean Fender amp which gets you almost as close to a Mark for $200. I think as long as you have a good, thick, sustaining tone with some articulation, you are good. Fusion is about note choices - just like trad jazz.

**christianm77** · 04-06-2018, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by DRS

Funny how this thread went from a gear thread to a "let's bash Chick" thread. Pity.
I think a nice Mesa Boogie Mark series and any decent humbucking semi-hollow or solid body guitar would sound great. I've also owned the Mesa Fluxdrive into a clean Fender amp which gets you almost as close to a Mark for $200. I think as long as you have a good, thick, sustaining tone with some articulation, you are good. Fusion is about note choices - just like trad jazz.

Hang on, I thought it was a let's bash Stanley thread?

**wildschwein** · 04-06-2018, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by DRS

Funny how this thread went from a gear thread to a "let's bash Chick" thread. Pity.
I think a nice Mesa Boogie Mark series and any decent humbucking semi-hollow or solid body guitar would sound great. I've also owned the Mesa Fluxdrive into a clean Fender amp which gets you almost as close to a Mark for $200. I think as long as you have a good, thick, sustaining tone with some articulation, you are good. Fusion is about note choices - just like trad jazz.

Yes, makes me think that a Boogie Super 60 (Mark 1) with an ES-335 was a hot ticket back in the late '70s -- Carlton and Ford were visible users!

**John A.** · 04-06-2018, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by christianm77

Hang on, I thought it was a let's bash Stanley thread?

Can't we all just get along, and make it a "bash Flora Purim" thread?

John

**Endorphins** · 04-06-2018, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by neatomic

the uk guys always interested me as well..came from more of the rock side..spedding with nucleus, beloved ollie halsall, holdworth, goodsall with brand x, phill lee, phil miller...also robert fripp- highly influential..etc etc

Gilgamesh! A big favorite...Phil Lee seems to have slid off the grid, I wonder what he's doing now?

Gilgamesh (band) - Wikipedia

**wengr** · 04-06-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by wildschwein

Yes, makes me think that a Boogie Super 60 (Mark 1) with an ES-335 was a hot ticket back in the late '70s -- Carlton and Ford were visible users!

Hmm. I still have hanging around a 70's Mark 1. 100/60 watt, graphic, hardwood/cane etc. I never liked the sound of it. To the point that I don't think it is working correctly. Does anyone have a clip of such an amp that is an accurate representation of what it should sound like?

**jzucker** · 04-07-2018, 12:18 PM

Here's carlton on his Boogie MK I

Originally Posted by wengr

Hmm. I still have hanging around a 70's Mark 1. 100/60 watt, graphic, hardwood/cane etc. I never liked the sound of it. To the point that I don't think it is working correctly. Does anyone have a clip of such an amp that is an accurate representation of what it should sound like?

**yebdox** · 04-07-2018, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by wengr

Hmm. I still have hanging around a 70's Mark 1. 100/60 watt, graphic, hardwood/cane etc. I never liked the sound of it. To the point that I don't think it is working correctly. Does anyone have a clip of such an amp that is an accurate representation of what it should sound like?

Had one built in ‘76, never really bonded with it, sold it in grad school when I was broke. I wonder what I would think about it now. OTOH, loved playing a 335 through a blackface Bassman with 2x12 cab on 10 at the same time in younger years! Compression, sag and tone that made me want to play for days! (and I hallucinate made me sound a bit better than I was at the time.)

**jzucker** · 04-07-2018, 01:53 PM

I've had a number of boogie amps, MK 1, Mk II C+, Mk III simulclass, MK IV.

My favorite was the MK IIC+. Unfortunately, it weighed 80lbs and didn't start "singing" until you were playing really loud so for most casuals, it was stiff sounding.

Frankly, the fractal stuff is so close, I can't imagine anyone wanting to gig with a setup like that anymore.

**LtKojak** · 04-07-2018, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

My favorite was the MK IIC+. Unfortunately, it weighed 80lbs and didn't start "singing" until you were playing really loud so for most casuals, it was stiff sounding

Yeah, tell me about it, Jack!

I got a 60-watt Mark II-B, and it was simply impossible to use as intended in the small stages I was playing in Europe in the '80s. And it indeed sounded pretty, pretty, pretty stiff, even with pedals in the front.

I simply had to let it go... losing quite a bit of money in the process. Talking about taming a wild horse being a city mouse...

**jzucker** · 04-07-2018, 02:36 PM

I'll never forget the first gig I took it to. It was at the capital hilton in washington DC and the hotel lot was full and the police wouldn't let me double park to unload. I had no cart at the time so I carried that 80lb amp over 2 blocks along with my guitar and a bag of cables/pedals.

Oh the joys of being in my 20s again...

Originally Posted by LtKojak

Yeah, tell me about it, Jack!

I got a 60-watt Mark II-B, and it was simply impossible to use as intended in the small stages I was playing in Europe in the '80s. And it indeed sounded pretty, pretty, pretty stiff, even with pedals in the front.

I simply had to let it go... losing quite a bit of money in the process. Talking about taming a wild horse being a city mouse...

**LtKojak** · 04-07-2018, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

I carried that 80lb amp over 2 blocks along with my guitar and a bag of cables/pedals

I used to carry a Twin Reverb in one hand, a Gibson Les Paul Custom in the other one, and a 25+-pound bag with the pedals, cables, accesories and other stuff on my shoulder; forth and back even sometimes half a mile, up and down the stage stairs as it was nothing, two to three times a night when I was touring doing 30 to 40 minute shows.

I too was in my late teens, early twenties... and I don't even remember my arms aching or any physical discomfort due to that. Oh, the memories...!

**jzucker** · 04-07-2018, 03:09 PM

now I'm lamenting carrying a 40lb cabinet which I would not do without a cart!

**LtKojak** · 04-07-2018, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

now I'm lamenting carrying a 40lb cabinet which I would not do without a cart!

That's nothing. I relentlessly b*tch and m*an having to carry a soft bag with the ES-339 and a laptop, plus a 20+ pounds bag with the cables, the sound card and the FCB-1010 for less than half a block, to a car, once a week.

What a wimp I've become with the years...