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02-14-2016 08:31 AM
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Too much reverb for me as well. It must be popular because they sound very similar and generally generic. Just not my thing. Pat Martino sounds great to me and I would consider him modern in tone and playing but I'm guessing he would not be included in the the boards' criteria for modern sound??
Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
Someone mentioned Marc Ribot and if I had to categorize him I would describe him as eclectic, not really modern. I especially like "Marc Ribot Y Los Cubanos",
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I hear levels of reverb among modern players ranging from "soaked" to completely dry.
Saying these guys sound generic is kinda silly. It's because you haven't listened enough. Remember when we all first got into jazz and thought there was one classic jazz tone? But as we listened, we realized joe pass didn't sound like Wes who didn't sound like tal...just as nir doesn't sound like moreno who doesn't sound like kurt, etc.
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Originally Posted by David B
I sat and listened to this...the whole 21 minutes worth of it. I really tried to like it: I really did.
To me, this sounds like athematic noodling....yes, the notes are technically correct, but there was nothing memorable to grab my attention. I sincerely doubt anyone would have walked out of that performance humming to themselves. Contrast this with a lot of bebop heads which started out, I'm pretty sure, as guys playing around with pop tunes and ended up being memorable themselves, e.g. "What Is Thing Called Love" and "Hot House", or "How High the Moon" and "Ornithology"
The 2nd piece, the one that went for about 4 minutes or so started out promising, with the guitarist playing the Spanish-influenced backing bit, but even that piece after about 3 minutes or so, started wandering.
The last piece was more noodling....maybe I'm just a simple guy.
In the music I like best, there is a middle ground between lack of structure and too much structure....a lot of classical pieces, esp. orchestral pieces I find frankly dull because there will be say a statement of a theme, and then an entire movement devoted to development, recapitulation, etc...it can be a little too predictable and ponderous. (Chopin, in contrast, is a genius at saying a LOT, in a short amt. of time., and I don't think he wrote many longer works.) 32-bar themes or blues, I think, strike a good balance as being vehicles for improvisation and still give the listener something to "latch on to".
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It's not silly, it's simply my opinion. The original post was titled "modern jazz guitar tones", indicating that there are favored guitar tones in modern jazz guitar.
Still curious about the description of modern jazz guitar "tones".
With access to Spotify, Pandora, Youtube, and jazz specialty internet sites, I have a huge choice in Jazz to sample including most of the contemporary jazz guitarists posted, but like most, my playlist is mostly filled with my favorites.
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A lot of "modern" players seem to like a lot of chorus. Sco for instance.
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Sco, Stern...can't think of anybody else, really. And they've sounded like that for 30 years. Originally Posted by DRS
Scos actually moving away from that seasick tone recently.
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modern heads not melodic, do not attract young audience etc,
on behalf of my 10 year old son, apart from Zat You Santa Clause by Louie, Sundown by Wes and Moan'n I submit his favourites:
Rale Micic Serbology
Rafal Sarnecki Three Old Men fron the Land of Aran, here it is live
and his absolute favourite (this is the one where nobody is aloud to speak in the car) Aaron Parkes with Mike Moreno Peaceful Warrior
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Yes it's old now, but this is my favorite modern tone.
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What an excellent thread...I've heard some great cats playing I haven't heard before. Thoroughly enjoyable.
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In regards to questions about what "Modern Jazz Tone" is, I think it is better said as nontraditional jazz tones of the past 40 or so years. To clear up some confusion, "Modern Jazz Tone" is (in my way of thinking) is an umbrella term that encompasses all the players in the modern jazz idiom, or contemporary jazz (if you would rather think of it that way) that may or may not use, as perviously stated, a nontraditional jazz tone.
Edit: I consider Fusion apart of "Modern Jazz Tone" as well, I'm not sure how the rest of you feel about this...but you know imo and all that.Last edited by RonJ; 02-15-2016 at 01:38 PM.
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Not ultra modern but.....hey..... we don't get to hear these guitars very often!
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Love it. Who is it? My favorite archtop ever!
Originally Posted by Philco
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He's in NYC, he's on Gypsy/Swing Jazz scene as well, at least that's where I've heard him. H's pretty swinging, grooving, not spaced out sound... not sure it qualifies him as modern jazz? Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Michael Valeanu's solo starts at around 05:00 min in. Brings in some quacky effect at 06:35, after a little technical problem. Wouldn't have thought that such an effect works in this context, but it is just great! Very funky.
At 08:20 the guitar swaps players. Adrien Moignard is having a tone and playing even more alien to usual jazz guitar. The style reminds me of the "talking blues guitar" of Luther Allison. What a phantastic performance, by all of them!
Robert
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Steve Cardenas, he's incredible! Also check his videos with Ben Allison. Originally Posted by jzucker
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Last edited by jzucker; 02-16-2016 at 10:54 AM.
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Rotem Sivan Trio live in the studio, absolutely smokey trio
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Re the "younger generation" and "jazz." Two words - Joey Alexander of Indonesia...self taught, grammy nominee...12 years old...he's been gigging internationally since age 10
Lush life, at 11
Last edited by 2bornot2bop; 02-19-2016 at 09:08 PM.
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Amazing. I hope they are doing it because they love it and still playing loving it at 20 30 40 50
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