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depends on what you mean with modern... i like to get a bit of drive from my wampler ecstasy so that i can bend more
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04-30-2016 11:00 AM
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The guitar is right.. some rounds, heavy pick like Dandrea Pro Plec, a dark delay and a hall type reverb.
Which amp do you have? Something in the Polytone area is good.
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Thanks for all you comments!
I have a polytone but the reverb doesnt work....
what kind of reverb i need? and dark delay you say?
I dont have money to put on strymon and that stuff...
I really like the Mike Moreno and Kurt sound, do I need also an overdrive pedal?
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With that guitar and that amp you already have a lot. Pick some rounds and an a heavy pick too!
As for pedals no need to go for Strymon.. digitech or tc delays / verbs are nice and cheap. The Carbon Copy is very dark by nature and a very good and simple delay... for the verb I guess the HOF is unbeatable for the price.
Another option is the Zoom MS70CDR, which is what I personally use. Lots of good delays and verbs and a nice eq and tuner too for cheap.
You could use a drive of course... Moreno uses a Klon type OD and Kurt a Rat. If you want those sounds for cheap you have a Mooer Rat clone and the EHX Soul Food for the Klon sound.
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Thanks for you comment, yes with booster of the polytone I can get modern sound but I feel someting missing maybe because I use 12 flat... how to adjust with reverb pedal? and the delay? is it okay that I dont have fx loop and I use the booster in the polytone?
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I really recommend changing for rounds..
You can use it all in front, no worries. Delay settings will depend on the pedal - time around 500ms, low mix, medium feedback. Verb depends, some modern guys use tons of verb others just a little... I would say low mix and variable decay.
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Although I have an early 80's Polytone MBIII And love it I find it a little more difficult to get the modern sound with it. I made the switch to tube amps and have never looked back. A '65 Deluxe RI or '65 Princeton RI are incredible with a Weber speaker.
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I have delay and reverb pedals from Catalin Bread -- good stuff!
To sound like Kurt, Mike, et al. -- practice!!
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Lock the switch Of the polytone on the Bright setting Cut bass. Neutral highs, tons of mids.
Some delay, you don't need reverb. Add a rat with low gain high volume and filter to taste and tame the highs. Lower the volume on your neck pickup. Open tone. That should get you close to kurts sound around 2000-2006
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Thanks for your comment, do you think the mooer rat clone is good? are you sure I dont need reverb? I pretty sure he uses reverb and Moreno...
Originally Posted by add4
In my polytone I have bass and treble. so to put the bass on 0 and the treble like 4 you think?
I really the sound of kurt here when they playing ''the next step''...
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and I really the sound of Moreno here
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There is no straightforward answer to this question. Buy a pedalboard and start adding pedals as you see fit, to find YOUR modern sound. Start small and build up gradually.
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Kurt's sound in this video is what i'm talking about.
I think i can get close this kind of sound in the way i described earlier. with my ES335. If you don't have the mid knobs, just lower the bass and increase highs, it gives that 'direct and dry' sound, and it's even increased with the rat. I actually find that it's a sound hard to like when i play alone, but very effective in a band situation.
About the reverb, it's used by Kurt, yes, but it's not the main part of his sound, i'd say delay is much more important than reverb to get something similar.
I have a mooer pure boost, sound wise it's similar to the RC boosters i have heard and built. I had reliability problems with it. but since it's my only mooer it's not enough experience to say the built quality is bad. One thing is certain, they have to get money on some stuff .. R&D certainly since they basically copy other manufacturer's work (a LOT of people do it so ... ok) but also hardware i guess..
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How about this for a modern sound ?
Kreisberg is using a Polytone and a Fender Deluxe Reverb in stereo with a set of pedals I believe.
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As others have suggested here, a delay will give you all the "wetness" you need. Keep in mind that Kurt switched to tube amps several years ago (Twin Reverb?), although he still sounded like himself when playing through Polytones. The delay pedal should be the very first thing you get to achieve the sound you're seeking. You'll be amazed at how modern your sound will be, even with a Polytone!
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I would say reverb matters although it varies a lot... Moreno and Monder use more than Kurt, Lage or Kreisberg. But yeah, delay is more relevant for sure.
Kurt's Twin was very modded, very close to a Polytone. He also used a Port City Pearl and Kemper / Axe Fx. His "signature sound" is the Poly imo.
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keep in mind that the polytone has an active bandaxall EQ. it means that with the knobs on 5, you have a REAL flat EQ (unlike most amps EQ which naturally subtract a LOT of mids). With the knobs under 5 you are removing highs or bass, and with the knobs above 5 you are adding highs or bass. So a lot of treble would be more like 8 Originally Posted by dvirulu
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Agreed, also he knows how to use external eqs!
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Well on some videos he just has a guitar and amp (I guess there's no external Eq for a masterclass) but that smooth but defined sound is still there. I'm sure it comes almost completely from technique but how?? No idea Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
Example here
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"Well on some videos he just has a guitar and amp (I guess there's no external Eq for a masterclass) but that smooth but defined sound is still there. I'm sure it comes almost completely from technique but how?? No idea"
Lots and lots of careful practice! Also, notice where he places his right hand---right over the neck pickup. That gives a very full round and warm tone.
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Wow that's awesome to hear - wish he played clean more often. Originally Posted by add4
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Hope this works. This is me noodling around to show what can be done with only a delay and a little of the reverb on my Princeton RI. The guitar is my D'Angelico with Lollar Imperials
Last edited by jbucklin; 06-08-2016 at 07:07 AM.
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Sounds great, which delay are you using?
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It's a Digitech HardWire. Can't remember the model number.
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Never thought of using the bright setting on my Polytone. I have an 80s Minibrute and I tried your settings and it's great – totally changes the midrange of the amp, my Line 6 M9 Tape Delay and occasionally a RAT and you've nailed that tone stone cold. Thanks for the suggestion. Tony.
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