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About 10+ years ago, I played my amp sim pedal thru a keyboard player's small PA system, it was a great sound, so I sold my heavy Fender Deluxe Reverb amp and bought a small PA/studio system.
The great thing with a PA system is you can try or buy another pedal with the latest tech and play it thru your existing PA system.
XLR is not my biggest worry, I have plenty of boxes with an XLR DI out.
Even my old Peterson Strobe tuner has DI XLR out. (Still working great, if a bit too big.)
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04-25-2026 07:27 AM
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Music to my ears
Originally Posted by 213Cobra
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The thing is someone is going to sell you one unit that should provide with all the sounds you need for any given gig not to mention an integral tuner, I don’t want to be bringing a flipping strobe tuner with me. Or a Di box. Or anything (apart from my guitar.) Originally Posted by GuyBoden
About 10+ years ago, I played my amp sim pedal thru a keyboard player's small PA system, it was a great sound, so I sold my heavy Fender Deluxe Reverb amp and bought a small PA/studio system.
The great thing with a PA system is you can try or buy another pedal with the latest tech and play it thru your existing PA system.
XLR is not my biggest worry, I have plenty of boxes with an XLR DI out.
Even my old Peterson Strobe tuner has DI XLR out. (Still working great, if a bit too big.)
You shouldn’t be making the is argument unless you literally work for Boss or something.
Bass players understand this, because bass players actually have gigs.
And companies like NUX, Blackstar and Mooer are all able to do this.
Tbh I think they do it for the same reason they put crap speakers in the fender reissue amps
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I keep forgetting that you're a "Professional Player", not a Hobbyist like most of us on the forum. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
But, when Andy Summers was playing at a local Jazz festival, he brought his own guitar tech to carry his stuff and even tune his guitar. So, you just need to be a multi millionaire.
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Step 1) become rock star Originally Posted by GuyBoden
I keep forgetting that you're a "Professional Player", not a Hobbyist like most of us on the forum.
But, when Andy Summers was playing at a local Jazz festival, he brought his own guitar tech to carry his stuff and even tune his guitar. So, you just need to be a multi millionaire.
Step 2) play jazz
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Another solution is to not use anything at all!
Just plug direct to the speaker. I often do that, as many speakers sound good, and i have much more fun than when using most digital stuff. My last gigs were a few pedals, with no amp simulation at all. Bose towers for example sound great for clean guitar on their own, and then you just use a booster or light overdrive.
Doesn't work with distortion obviously..
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FWIW:
Neural Amp Modeler | Highly-accurate free and open-source amp modeling plugin
It appears that this is the software underlying Dime Head and all the other NAM products as listed on their homepage. That suggests to me that they should all sound pretty similar and that you could make a choice based on what hardware needs you have (e.g., an XLR line level output, etc.).
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The Fractal AM4 has TRS outs. So, still a balanced output but you need either an adapter or a cable constructed with TRS on one end and XLR on the other. Originally Posted by 213Cobra
The Dime Head is cool but not inexpensive. Curious what cheap pedals that do NAM conversions (like the $80 Valeton GP5) sound like but more just to play with. For daily use something nicer like the Dime Head would be more pleasurable to use. Though at that price point it's a trade off against the different tech of the Fractal AM4.
In any case, we should be seeing a greater variety of products that support native NAM files. Seems to be a lot going on in that market.Last edited by Spook410; 04-26-2026 at 04:50 AM.
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I wonder how this baby would perform? 15 lbs.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Yeah I would say my ES175 doesn’t really need an amp - sounds great straight into a PA Originally Posted by Alter
Another solution is to not use anything at all! Just plug direct to the speaker. I often do that, as many speakers sound good, and i have much more fun than when using most digital stuff. My last gigs were a few pedals, with no amp simulation at all. Bose towers for example sound great for clean guitar on their own, and then you just use a booster or light overdrive.
Doesn't work with distortion obviously..
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I think there’s a bit of community evolving around uploading NAMs to these very cheap pedals. I’m thinking “massive rabbit hole” Originally Posted by Spook410
Tbh there’s other things I personally want to spend the time on.
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NAM FILE PEDAL: WARNING ONLY FOR HOME HOBBYIST PLAYERS. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Sonicake Pocket Master supports NAM files. £45
Edit: Finding a very Jazz clean Fender Deluxe NAM file is my main task.
Rock clean is not Jazz clean.
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Warning: only for Hobbyists and Home users.
There is a new NAM file pedal on the block. £40
Soran Tiny Stomp.
Tiny Stomp-Tiny Stomp-Soran Audio
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Resurrecting this thread to describe a recent experience.
Trio (piano, guitar and vocalist who also plays percussion) in a room maybe 100x40. Maybe 40 people (not full). Concert situation, meaning people in straight back chairs all facing us. Nobody talking or drinking.
My rig was, arguably, too complicated, but since I ended up very happy with the sound and it involved a new trick (at least for me) I thought I'd post.
Guitar>ME70>Joyo American>Yamaha MG10XU mixer>JBL Eon One powered speaker. In addition, I ran a line from the monitor out on the Yamaha mixer to my Little Jazz, which I put in front of me, facing me, as a monitor. The JBL was on a stand at head height maybe 10-12 feet to my right.
The new trick was that I brought a tray table (aka TV tray table) and put it to my immediate left. I put the mixer and the Joyo on it. In the past, I've had the Joyo on the floor where it's hard to reach and the mixer on a kind of box, 18 inches high. This time, it was really easy to adjust things. Didn't need to do much. Dropped some mids with the Joyo to clean up a little mud and ran everything else pretty flat. Adjusted the reverb with the Yamaha mixer for the singer's mic and turned off the reverb on mine, so the announcements would be clearer.
I ran the Joyo with voice and drive at 9 o'clock. Level at 3 o'clock. Tone controls started flat and then I dropped the mids to 11 or a little less.
As I played, I think I mostly heard the LJ - the monitor - which was fine because I like that sound. Had plenty of volume on tap and, at one point where I needed more, I just turned up the volume control on the channel strip.
A note on the Joyo. It hisses a bit. That's probably the sound of low price. Wasn't noticeable on the gig. It has also made clicks and pops, but not when it runs on batteries. And, not, apparently, with a better quality power supply. The company very nicely offered a refund past the return date, but I declined. It really does warm up the sound to the point where the powered speaker can substitute for a guitar amp. At least to my taste.
The downside of this is all the cabling. There are power supplies to the LJ, JBL, Joyo, Yamaha and ME70. Two standard power cables, two wall warts, and one proprietary power supply for the Yamaha. 1/4" cables from the guitar, ME70, and Joyo. XLR to the JBL, and to the two mics. One more 1/4" from the Yamaha to the LJ. I lost count. 12?
I could have cut down on gear by leaving out the mixer. The JBL will take two mics and has a separate hi Z input for the guitar (which doesn't seem to be quiet as loud). But then, adjusting things would require scrolling on my phone. Could have run the JBL, Joyo and ME70 all on batteries, but that would make me nervous. Maybe a different pedalboard would eliminate the need for the Joyo. Could have tried it without the monitor. But, once it was set up, it sounded good and was really easy to adjust.
For completeness, I should mention two mic stands, a speaker stand and a music stand with an Ipad holder replacing the desk. And, a page turner pedal for the Ipad.
In any case, I did eventually find a way to get a good sound out of the powered speaker for guitar, vocals and announcements. And, I had all kinds of volume on tap, if necessary. First time at this venue and we didn't know exactly what to expect.
A downside was that packing, setting up, tearing down and putting everything back where it belongs was a lot of trouble. It was helpful that the venue had secure parking and good security inside. So, I didn't worry about having to make two trips and I didn't worry about leaving some backup gear in the car. And, it was all level-in.Last edited by rpjazzguitar; 06-05-2026 at 07:32 PM.
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