Comping on Spain

[TrakaVobla]

Hi, I would like to know how you guys would comp on this tune? I`m now learing it with my band - drums, bass, trumpet, guitar. Can you sugest some interesting chord voicings? I mainly play inversions from the 4string. I`m also now learning to strum the chords with son and rumba clave rythm.

[docbop]

The tune is basically in D Major and B minor so create some movement using the triads of the harmonized D major scale.

[Banksia]

Do you have a MIDI program like Notation? Here is a midi file so you can see what chords Chick uses in comping.

chick_spain.mid - 4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download

[Reg]

Would you rather have a video... I seem to be able to play better than speak...just a thought... Reg

[JohnW400]

Originally Posted by Reg

Would you rather have a video... I seem to be able to play better than speak...just a thought... Reg

Reg,

We can always use another of your videos.

[Andrés_G]

Originally Posted by Reg

Would you rather have a video... I seem to be able to play better than speak...just a thought... Reg

Please do post a video!
I've been following your videos and I find them very helpful.

[Dazz]

Larry Coryell has a great driving comping style for this tune.
YouTube - ‪(Part 1 of 2) Rhythm techniques for jazz guitar taught by Larry Coryell‬‏
but in Gmajor

[Banksia]

Originally Posted by Dazz

Larry Coryell has a great driving comping style for this tune.
YouTube - ‪(Part 1 of 2) Rhythm techniques for jazz guitar taught by Larry Coryell‬‏
but in Gmajor

Yes, his approach is interesting. After I read this thread today I listened to a coupla versions of the song. The Coryell/Steve Khan version is like that vid - fairly vanilla chords with very strong rhythm.

So I listened to the original Chick and, behind the flute solo, Chick is also more focussed on the rhythm. (Doesn't sound as strong because he's playing a Rhodes and only playing intervals rather than chords a lot of the time.)

[JohnW400]

Light as A Feather is a Classic disc. I've only played this in a duo setting (2 guitars) but I agree. Its more a rhythm thing. Almost like (dare I say it!) a flamenco thing (Gma7-F#7)

[Banksia]

Originally Posted by JohnW400

Almost like (dare I say it!) a flamenco thing (Gma7-F#7)

That was the very word I thought of today, listening to the Coryell/Khan version.

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

I remember a poster suggested these chords:

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[On Sugar Hill]

Honestly, on a tune like that, you can use very simple voicings. Think more about the samba rhythm/strumming to make the comping interesting.

[TrakaVobla]

Originally Posted by Reg

Would you rather have a video... I seem to be able to play better than speak...just a thought... Reg

It would be fantastic! I really like your instructional videos.

Would you use montuno with guitar in your comping?

Thanks for the suggestions I`ll try to work on some movments with triads.

Here`s a very nice version of Chiks Acoustic Band

YouTube Video

By the way in 9feb Chick is starting a world tour "Return to Forever IV"

[timscarey]

Originally Posted by TrakaVobla

I`m also now learning to strum the chords with son and rumba clave rythm.

Cool, just so you know, this tune is much more of a Brazilian style of "latin music" in which montunos/Rumba/Son clave is not used.

Try comping in a style which accentuates the 16th note upbeat... much more like samba/"white dude latin"

[TrakaVobla]

Originally Posted by timscarey

Cool, just so you know, this tune is much more of a Brazilian style of "latin music" in which montunos/Rumba/Son clave is not used.

Try comping in a style which accentuates the 16th note upbeat... much more like samba/"white dude latin"

Thanks Tim, I didnt know that.

[Reg]

Hey Tim's right on... and I like the "white dude Latin" thing, can be applied to many styles, I believe Chick was Italian/Spanish, born in Mass. I know he is one of the few at his level that compose and play... I'll make a Video sometime today... I do use montunos, just a little different than the traditional patterns, but fun. I don't get to much shit at gigs, I do play salsa gigs, but those are a dance thing. Reg

[Reg]

YouTube Video

Sorry I took so long... lazy. It's short and I tried not to play to much... just samples of ideas. If any thing looks cool, let me know and I'll give better example.
Best Reg

[gersdal]

Thanks Reg. Great stuff.

[TrakaVobla]

Thanks Reg, that really helped!
I have another question - should I use roots in my chords when playing with bass player or be aware of them? And when bass player is soloing and there is no bass line - chords with roots?

[gersdal]

Originally Posted by TrakaVobla

I have another question - should I use roots in my chords when playing with bass player or be aware of them? And when bass player is soloing and there is no bass line - chords with roots?

The norm is to avoid rooted chords when the bass is playing, and play as little as possible when the bass is soloing (just a few kicks here and there). On Spain I'd consider resting chords like Reg shown first as an option over a bass solo.

[Reg]

I tend to always say what Gersdal just said... but what I usually play many times are big ugly root chordal structures... I rarely play one version of a chord on anything... unless the part is written out. The trick with using big or full chords is how much of the chord you actually bring out. Buy that I mean... just because I'm fingering a bunch of notes doesn't mean I bring them all out. I always use my ears and context to determine how much I should play. I can play the same chord pattern five times in a row and have five different sounds or versions of chord. And yea... for Bass solos... give him space... but nowadays most bass players want you to comp enough to imply harmony... they want to solo and not always have to imply harmony... 40 years ago it was different, when the bass took a solo... it was usually pretty simple, they either picked up the bow or just played something from the melody with same tone.... nowadays since Jaco, we jump on the bridge and get after it... The standard harmonic chord pattern kicks as gersdal brought up are also great, usually at the important strong harmonic and rhythmic points of chart. Reg

[TrakaVobla]

Thanks guys! I hope that i will be able to record our session and later put it in for some critic.

[limjaz]

Originally Posted by Reg

Sorry I took so long... lazy. It's short and I tried not to play to much... just samples of ideas. If any thing looks cool, let me know and I'll give better example.
Best Reg

Hello Reg,

a bit off topic but what kind of archtop and strings are you using?

Jasper

[Reg]

That's a Guild Artist Award 94, their best, my second one. I wore the other one out. I have chromes on now. I also put on the Bartolinni pickup made for that guitar. You can pick them up for as little as around 5K, and they are a great work horse... Reg

[JohnW400]

Reg,

Your tone is really excellent on that box man. What amp are you using?

[paynow]

Originally Posted by JohnW400

Reg,

Your tone is really excellent on that box man. What amp are you using?

That and your settings, both on the instrument and amp. Love that sound.

[Reg]

Thanks... really. I'm playing through my little studio Yamaha fifty112, bought back in 69 or 70... did change the speaker... solid state. My regular amp is polytone... although I've used my twin for a few gigs lately, loud. As many... I have every amp... they sit. Use what I can carry in one trip. Reg

[Johnny Arthur]

I would love to get my hands on two for the road coryell/khan anybody know where I can get it, preferably on cd