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Well, prices for everything have gone up. In today’s market, I think £1750 is a great price.
As for feedback:
1. I won’t be playing gigs, so it’s not an issue for me
2. Pat Metheney had amps all around him, but seemed to get no feedback. I wonder how he managed that?
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06-22-2023 01:26 AM
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a lot of processing and low stage volume!
Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Gigged with it a few weeks ago. We were a bit loud to be honest, but everything can be fixed with some gaffer tape. Yes, it doesn't look nice, but it does the trick.
The Empress Para EQ also does the trick, but I like the guitar-cable-amp thing.
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Why would the PM100 be any worse than other hollow-body archtop in this regard?
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No idea why it feeds so easily. It really doesn’t make much sense. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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At my age, nothing makes sense…in fact nothing ever did!
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Some archtops just feed back easily. I had an Epiphone Joe Pass that was pretty much only useable for a solo gig. It started to feedback at very moderate volumes. I have a 96 Gibson Wes Montgomery that feeds back on the low E string at moderate volumes. She is a great guitar, but I know better than to take it to a gig with a drummer who uses anything besides brushes. That said, I probably should have gotten a set of Doug's plugs for that guitar back when they were being made.
Interestingly, one of my Gibson ES-175's came to me with a set of Doug's Plugs. I have never needed them. I wonder of the original owner bought them "just in case" without ever having experienced feedback. I have played some loud gigs with that guitar and it has never been a problem.
I suspect the thickness of the top combined with the properties of the particular piece of wood used for the top determines if a guitar will be a feedback monster or not. And let's not forget that Leo Fender invented the solid body guitar after watching the archtop playing guitarists having feedback problems in the Western Swing bands that frequented the Bakersfield, CA dance halls back in the 1940's.
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Likewise Les Paul, whose eponymous guitars were initially aimed at jazz players.
What would Les and Leo think of seeing their guitars with f sound holes and hollow bodies
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my suspicion was the top, rather thin and maybe only lightly braced etc.
I remember doing some stuff about the pickup, making it sit more tightly which helped a bit. But who knows...
Maybe it's actually the unusual geometry of the box(?).
Anyway, playability was just phenomenal.
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To be honest, the top doesn't look or feel thin, no more than a 175, but I'm just going on looks and feel of the depth around the f holes. But, whatever, it seems to be an issue at certain volumes. Like I said, though, my playing days are behind me so I'm not worried. I'm loving playing it. Today is a free day for me, so I've spent a couple of hours with it, and it is all I wanted it to be.
Happy shopper.
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incredible guitar in every other way. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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Think about the 2nd pickup close to the bridge on other guitars like ES175 or similar. That pickup dampens the movement of the top and also alters the resonance frequency of the top. Originally Posted by Chris236
That’s my explanation why some guitars with a neck pu only tend to feedback earlier.
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I’m not qualified to say that is likely or not, though it sounds plausible. Let’s face it, hollow-body archtops were never intended to be played at high volumes. I’d get a 335 or similar for that, or a solid body.
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no, that’s not it in this case. I’ve had at least a dozen other set-in single neck pu archtops (ply and solid) that didn’t have this problem….that guitar acts like a 3.5 inch deep , 18” carved top with a floater as the volume goes up. Fatal combination of body/bracing/plate thickness and geometry. Originally Posted by bluenote61
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Congratulations Rob, that looks like a dream axe to me, the black/off white/gold look is beautiful, the craftmanship I assume is incredible, as are the playability and the sound, if the Japanese Ibanez I just got too is anything to go by (the Scofield model, also black/off white/gold). And please Ibanez, give us a reissue of the black Pat Metheny.
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Cheers, m_d. I love the look of the new Sco model! Very tempting, but I'm skint now. Looks like we are both happy with our new black/aged-cream/gold acquisitions!
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Rob!
1st off, I am so glad to see you are fiddlin around with a Jazz Guitar once again.
That makes this world (and certainly, this forum a much better place). I hope you love it. Getting a new guitar makes me a better player because I love exploring.. I am about due..
I hope you put a nice video together for us. If not, no pressure. Just enjoy Rob.
JDLast edited by Max405; 06-23-2023 at 12:22 PM.
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Thanks, JD. I think you might be overdue! Get with it, bro!
I'm in hiding mode...playing wise, that is. But you never know.
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I wrote a verbose post… decided to keep it simple instead.
PM100: great guitar,
yes feedback problems, still
great guitar…
if higher volume needed, why not get a dbx feedback destroyer, because the PM100 is worth the extra effort.
did I mention that the PM100 is a great guitar.
… well, at least those are my thoughts.
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Well, who could contradict a saint?!
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I think some of the feedback just gets down to the tones people were trying for. Left flat the guitar doesn't have those issues. Adding more emphasis to the resonant frequencies of the body will make almost anything howl as the volume increases.
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How does Metheny play so loud and not have feedback issues? I wish Beato would've asked him that one!
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You should get the clear pickguard adhesive - cut it to size, and then yer done! It's 1000xs less visually obtrusive with the same feedback cutting effect! Originally Posted by Joeontheguitar
Gigged with it a few weeks ago. We were a bit loud to be honest, but everything can be fixed with some gaffer tape. Yes, it doesn't look nice, but it does the trick.
The Empress Para EQ also does the trick, but I like the guitar-cable-amp thing.
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for the few years he played that guitar, low stage volume and lots of eq/processing. Originally Posted by Brazenkane
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...and on the black version, the black tape is unnoticeable!
Metheny uses tons of compression. Apparently that helps.
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