Ugh, Ibanez AS2000 with maxed out truss-rod...

[John A.]

One of the annoying things about primarily Japanese, domestic focused companies, is knowing what is what.
The Hawk STD and Hawk are not the same model. The Hawk STD is a thin-line Guild SF2 rip off (or there abouts) and retails for around £2000 in the UK, the same price as the Ibanez AF200.

The Hawk Deep is a higher end guitar (herringbone binding), that I thought retails for around $2500? If you paid $1500 for a new Hawk STD or a Hawk Deep, then good for you.
A US based member was selling a used Hawk deep, for $1650 only recently.

I bought mine used. Agreed how they name these things is very confusing. Ditto with Ibanez, except they confuse you with combinations of letters and numbers rather than bird species. If I ever make guitars I'm going to use birds and numbers. That'll show 'em.

[John A.]

One of the annoying things about primarily Japanese, domestic focused companies, is knowing what is what.
The Hawk STD and Hawk are not the same model. The Hawk STD is a thin-line Guild SF2 rip off (or there abouts) and retails for around £2000 in the UK, the same price as the Ibanez AF200.

The Hawk Deep is a higher end guitar (herringbone binding), that I thought retails for around $2500? If you paid $1500 for a new Hawk STD or a Hawk Deep, then good for you.
A US based member was selling a used Hawk deep, for $1650 only recently.

No, the hawk standard is not the thinline. This is the hawk standard. It differs from the hawk jazz in that it doesn't have the spruce top, 5 pc maple neck, etc.

I don't think they're consistent with the nomenclature and features.

Mine says "Jazz" on the truss rod cover and "Hawk-Jazz" on the label inside the body. It has herringbone purfling and tortoise shell binding, spruce top, and 5 piece neck. The depth is 3-3/8". I think there's one called the Hawk Deep that's the same depth as a 175 and has a maple top. And I think Standard and STD have been used for different feature sets, and I think plain old "Hawk" has also been used

[jzucker]

the one think I hate about the hawk is that the tailpiece sucks if you are using wrapped string slike thomastic

[jzucker]

So, the store got the guitar back today at 1pm. I called them at 6 to see if they had a chance to inspect and give me a refund and was told that it just arrived an hour ago. Do they think we're so stupid we can't see the time they signed for it on the UPS site? They said they'd process the refund later in the day (they close at 7). Of course, i never heard from them.

Meanwhile, not a peep out of ibanez.

[John A.]

the one think I hate about the hawk is that the tailpiece sucks if you are using wrapped string slike thomastic

I haven't had a problem with that (I use Chromes).

[jzucker]

I haven't had a problem with that (I use Chromes).

If you put thomastic 12s in there you'll find out that on the low strings, the wrap is thicker than the opening in the tailpiece and it causes the little metal flaps to bend.

[John A.]

If you put thomastic 12s in there you'll find out that on the low strings, the wrap is thicker than the opening in the tailpiece and it causes the little metal flaps to bend.

I had that issue with my old Godin and TI's. Good thing I'm happy with Chromes, I guess.

[jim777]

I think the Seventy Seven "Hawk", just plain "Hawk", is the thin bodied one. I almost bought one of the Sakura ones recently, but the guy doubled the price when someone emailed him and said, "Dude, that will be worth 8 grand next year". LOL I guess he didn't get the memo that Deviser is moving most of 77's production to the Philippines.

[jzucker]

I think the Seventy Seven "Hawk", just plain "Hawk", is the thin bodied one. I almost bought one of the Sakura ones recently, but the guy doubled the price when someone emailed him and said, "Dude, that will be worth 8 grand next year". LOL I guess he didn't get the memo that Deviser is moving most of 77's production to the Philippines.

was that this one?

[jim777]

was that this one?

Yeah He had it down at about 2200 and was willing to talk, and then it was gone, and then it was back at something like 4500 in the space of 48 hours. One of my daughters who is an officer in the Navy offered to buy the similar Exrubato for me when she was in Japan in '19 and I declined that too generous offer, so these have always been in the back of my mind. I don't (and didn't) really need it, I just liked looking at it

[jzucker]

Yeah He had it down at about 2200 and was willing to talk, and then it was gone, and then it was back at something like 4500 in the space of 48 hours. One of my daughters who is an officer in the Navy offered to buy the similar Exrubato for me when she was in Japan in '19 and I declined that too generous offer, so these have always been in the back of my mind. I don't (and didn't) really need it, I just liked looking at it

they have super thick necks. Keep that in mind...

[Archie]

I think the Seventy Seven "Hawk", just plain "Hawk", is the thin bodied one. I almost bought one of the Sakura ones recently, but the guy doubled the price when someone emailed him and said, "Dude, that will be worth 8 grand next year". LOL I guess he didn't get the memo that Deviser is moving most of 77's production to the Philippines.

Having been through the 77 minefield just last month, I can attest to the Hawk STD being a thin-line guitar.

Seventy Seven Hawk STD

[jzucker]

Having been through the 77 minefield just last month, I can attest to the Hawk STD being a thin-line guitar.

Seventy Seven Hawk STD

That's not correct. STD has nothing to do with depth. They make a STD in a thin and deep model.

HAWK-STD/DEEP-JT | Deviser ｜株式会社ディバイザー｜長野県松本市のギターメーカー

[Gitfiddler]

Having been through the 77 minefield just last month, I can attest to the Hawk STD being a thin-line guitar.

Seventy Seven Hawk STD

I'd love one of their thinline models in Koa finish!

[Archie]

That's not correct. STD has nothing to do with depth. They make a STD in a thin and deep model.

HAWK-STD/DEEP-JT | Deviser ??????????????????????????

The 'deep' model is called a STD 'Deep'. So the STD model is the thin-line.

[Archie]

Yeah He had it down at about 2200 and was willing to talk, and then it was gone, and then it was back at something like 4500 in the space of 48 hours. One of my daughters who is an officer in the Navy offered to buy the similar Exrubato for me when she was in Japan in '19 and I declined that too generous offer, so these have always been in the back of my mind. I don't (and didn't) really need it, I just liked looking at it

I'm still itching over this one. The finger is on the trigger. If I was to get a thin-line again it would probably be a Westerly Guild SF2 because I think they're slightly better for jazz.
That being said, I have just bought a Two Rock, so that 77, would sound phenomenally good, for other types of music.
I'm getting 'Wild At Heart' vibes over this.

[jim777]

they have super thick necks. Keep that in mind...

Thicker than my Albatross CTM?

[jzucker]

Thicker than my Albatross CTM?

i'm not sure what CTM is but the two I had were thicker than my archtop jazz

[skypeace]

Regret your misfortune with the Ibanez AS2000, I am a bit gun shy of guitars produced during this demic for various and diverse reasons. I love my Ibanez's, presently have five. I am going to try and avoid any new purchases in the forthcoming future as prices are rising sharply and I feel I have got while the getting was good.

[jim777]

i'm not sure what CTM is but the two I had were thicker than my archtop jazz

It's the Custom model from about 2012 or so. Mahogany body, top, and neck. Literally this guitar....

Seventy Seven Albatross CTM-H Custom DC w/ Onamac Windery | Reverb

[Woody Sound]

That is a very cool tailpiece.

[furtom]

Surprising as Ibanez QC is better than most. Still things do happen.

I'd try the other guitar offered, but absolutely, the dealer should give you your money back if that's what you want.

Customer service is a thing of the past, it seems.

Good luck.

[jzucker]

Surprising as Ibanez QC is better than most. Still things do happen.

I'd try the other guitar offered, but absolutely, the dealer should give you your money back if that's what you want.

Customer service is a thing of the past, it seems.

Good luck.

Thanks, i finally got my refund. They charged me for the return shipping only so at this point, i'm going to just write it off as a loss. The business was BarnettMusicExchange.com

[northernbreed]

The simple fact that these guys sent you what turned out to be a defective guitar, ran you around the block over it, and then made you pay for both original AND return shipping, is just unacceptable and pathetic. And Ibanez’s response is just icing on the crapcake.

[jzucker]

The simple fact that these guys sent you what turned out to be a defective guitar, ran you around the block over it, and then made you pay for both original AND return shipping, is just unacceptable and pathetic. And Ibanez’s response is just icing on the crapcake.

Turns out they only charged me for the return shipping but yeah, ibanez support really sucked on this matter. I actually contacted them several times with only a cursory response. A friend of mine is a current endorser and his artist rep contacted me and forwarded my complaint to the corporate office for further review. Still nothing but crickets from them.