Pet Peeves -- What's yours?

[Stringswinger]

This will add very little to the discussion, since I will not offer any proof or other specifics, but reflecting on these comments reminded me of something a good friend of mine who has had direct contact with Musk himself shared with me the other day.

My friend told me of Musk's very secret and very magnanimous support of a 3rd world health care issue that literally almost no one knows about. I mentioned it only because it is also a cause near and dear to my heart and I appreciate knowing of Musk's selfless contribution.

Certainly not proof of anything, so challenging my claim will be useless and you should disregard it as anything but hearsay; I understand it can have no real bearing in this discussion. I offer it only as a suggestion that much often goes unseen and unreported in this world that might change one's perspective, if one only knew.

Question your sources, always follow the money and continue to ask who might benefit from a continuance of any popular perspective, yours or any others. I personally believe there is a very long game being played out here, and that the division witnessed in this discussion is evidence of how well it's been played.

Make no mistake about it. Both Musk and Trump could have lived a life of luxury without incurring the wrath of today's rabid left wing culture warriors. Both have suffered economic loss in their quest to take on liberal authoritarianism (How much has Musk lost buying Twitter?). It took great sacrifice on the part of America's founders to create the American Republic and I am glad that there are now men and women who are ready to sacrifice again to save the Republic.

Those who believe in the false ideology of today's left are going to have a tough 4 years starting on 1/20/25. Pace yourselves.

[AllanAllen]

Dude, the republic is lost with the GOP.

Presidential Immunity alone is vehemently un-American. It’s directly against all men are created equal.

If you can’t see the glaring issues, how can you see the nuance.

Trump is now instructing the SCOTUS to wait on their TicToc decision. Again, he’s out of line and SCOTUS should not bow to Trump, they, like Congress are supposed to be his equal.

The three independent branches make the republic. One man in charge isn’t a republic.

[James W]

Make no mistake about it. Both Musk and Trump could have lived a life of luxury without incurring the wrath of today's rabid left wing culture warriors. Both have suffered economic loss in their quest to take on liberal authoritarianism (How much has Musk lost buying Twitter?). It took great sacrifice on the part of America's founders to create the American Republic and I am glad that there are now men and women who are ready to sacrifice again to save the Republic.

Those who believe in the false ideology of today's left are going to have a tough 4 years starting on 1/20/25. Pace yourselves.

It's cute that you think Biden is left-wing.

Is this what economic loss and sacrifice looks like to you? - Elon Musk is $70 billion richer since Trump victory due to Tesla surge

[2bornot2bop]

Sorry, you are the lazy one here. The canard that someone on the right gets all their information/arguments from Fox News is pretty much an admission that you have been beat in the argument. It is a form of argumentum ad hominem. A classic fallacy of reasoning.

I understand your argument and it is the usual narrative than demeans the accomplishments of others because of an accident of birth. Musk and Trump have both accomplished a lot, more than any five of us who post on this forum combined. It seems that sour grapes causes blindness of a sort.

Ha! If I got $400 million at birth I’d accomplish much more than the orangutan. And if he’s so successful why does he have so many bankruptcies?! Most of the hotels and golf courses bearing his name aren’t owned by him. You have lost any argument by attempting to suggest that he’s so successful. Plus, he’s been a con man his entire life, which is not something for anyone to emulate.

[2bornot2bop]

Dude, the republic is lost with the GOP.

Presidential Immunity alone is vehemently un-American. It’s directly against all men are created equal.

If you can’t see the glaring issues, how can you see the nuance.

Trump is now instructing the SCOTUS to wait on their TicToc decision. Again, he’s out of line and SCOTUS should not bow to Trump, they, like Congress are supposed to be his equal.

The three independent branches make the republic. One man in charge isn’t a republic.

Why even quibble with a thing called facts? He’s repeating the Fixed News narrative. And how many in wealthy positions in this country have served the country they reportedly love?! Trump got out of Vietnam with so called bone spurs.

The only thing they serve is to line their own pockets. How so many working poor people could vote a criminal and con man back in office is beyond my understanding, for he’s not going to do a single thing for them!

[AllanAllen]

How so many working poor people could vote a criminal and con man back in office is beyond my understanding, for he’s not going to do a single thing for them!

This one is pretty easy for me to see. Democrats were running on status quo and gender issues. For the working poor status quo sucks and they don’t care about “woke gender BS”, They want cheap gas and cigarettes.

Trump attacked the status quo and said it would be different if he was president. It’s hard to defend a not very good situation as the better option.

If you don’t live off stocks, the American economy blows and has blown since I professionally entered it in 2010.

[DawgBone]

Ha! If I got $400 million at birth I’d accomplish much more than the orangutan. And if he’s so successful why does he have so many bankruptcies?! Most of the hotels and golf courses bearing his name aren’t owned by him. You have lost any argument by attempting to suggest that he’s so successful. Plus, he’s been a con man his entire life, which is not something for anyone to emulate.

You are good with money or your inner armchair quarterback can throw the ball better? Tell us how you'd change the world with your 400 million.

[bluejaybill]

Make no mistake about it. Both Musk and Trump could have lived a life of luxury without incurring the wrath of today's rabid left wing culture warriors. Both have suffered economic loss in their quest to take on liberal authoritarianism (How much has Musk lost buying Twitter?). It took great sacrifice on the part of America's founders to create the American Republic and I am glad that there are now men and women who are ready to sacrifice again to save the Republic.

Those who believe in the false ideology of today's left are going to have a tough 4 years starting on 1/20/25. Pace yourselves.

I would just say that if Trump and Musk are what greatness is in America today, than the republic has really lost it's way.

Saying that buying Twitter was a patriotic political act kinda makes me feel ill. His use of it to kill the budget bill last week will make all of that Twitter loss back in no time. Now he can bully any legitimate political person he wants into doing his bidding. Yup, a real patriot.

It will be interesting to see how Musk does moving forward. Already Tesla sales are way down in many places (Europe, California, and China) because of his politics and taking his eye off the ball in coming out with new (and cheaper) vehicles. He has already lost his first mover advantage in that field. If I was a betting man, I would short Tesla stock.

Having said that, I totally respect his brilliance and ambition. Bezos too. I just think a lot of them started believing their press a bit too much, like most super wealthy folks do. I have great respect for what Gates and Buffett have done with their money, as well as Mackensie Scott.

[Stringswinger]

I have great respect for what Gates and Buffett have done with their money, as well as Mackensie Scott.

I don't give a rodent's rectum what people do with their money. It is their business, not mine and not yours.

Those who make a public display of their philanthropy, are engaging in an act of ego. And that is fine, if that floats their boat. I'm not impressed. I am just glad that they decide where their fortunes go and not some government politburo.

[DMgolf66]

I don't give a rodent's rectum what people do with their money. It is their business, not mine and not yours.

Those who make a public display of their philanthropy, are engaging in an act of ego. And that is fine, if that floats their boat. I'm not impressed. I am just glad that they decide where their fortunes go and not some government politburo.

Fuck that. If someone gives a large chunk of money to the Arian Nation or some other depraved entity, I'd like to know about it and particularly if they are a public servant.
With regards to charitable donations being public, depends on how much it hurts their pocket book. If I gave $5k to a cause, that would be something to give me pause. If it doesn't give you pause, I think it's nice, but I'm not labeling you a saint. If it inspires others to give, I'm happy.

[Stringswinger]

Fuck that. If someone gives a large chunk of money to the Arian Nation or some other depraved entity, I'd like to know about it and particularly if they are a public servant.
With regards to charitable donations being public, depends on how much it hurts their pocket book. If I gave $5k to a cause, that would be something to give me pause. If it doesn't give you pause, I think it's nice, but I'm not labeling you a saint. If it inspires others to give, I'm happy.

The term is Aryan, not Arian. Most groups that use the term are indeed White Racists. While I find those views despicable, in a free Country, one has a right to be a racist and even support racist views. And one has a right to privacy.

If people spent less time worrying about other people's business and more time bettering their own situation, I think they would be happier in the long run.

[DMgolf66]

Don't care about spell check error.
I'm not unhappy and I spend little of my time worrying about it cuz my ability to change it is limited, doesn't mean it diminishes my dislike for pieces of shit that hide behind our laws of freedom to be racist, hate monging pieces of shit.
Play the odds folks, play the odds.
You smell an asshole, chances are, deep down, they're an asshole. Don't make the shallow and selfish deeper than they are or discount how they've lived 97% of their life.

[2bornot2bop]

You are good with money or your inner armchair quarterback can throw the ball better? Tell us how you'd change the world with your 400 million.

Why would I do that. According to you it’s my money so I’ll spend it as I see fit. And you’re not armchair quarterbacking!

[RJVB]

Having said that, I totally respect his brilliance

You mean brilliance in exploiting other people to work out and implement his ideas and then take all the credit?

[DawgBone]

The term is Aryan, not Arian. Most groups that use the term are indeed White Racists. While I find those views despicable, in a free Country, one has a right to be a racist and even support racist views. And one has a right to privacy.

If people spent less time worrying about other people's business and more time bettering their own situation, I think they would be happier in the long run.

Research proves that left leaning people are less happy on average. Research also proves that religious people are more satisfied, happier overall, than non religious people. Conservatives are also more charitable on average. Conservative women are on average more beautiful. So basically if you want a better chance at living a miserable scrooge like existence complete with an uglier, less happy wife, be a godless leftist. I think that has been demonstrated well here by the amount of angry, insulting, complaining, critical posts about those with more than they.

[James W]

Research proves that left leaning people are less happy on average. Research also proves that religious people are more satisfied, happier overall, than non religious people. Conservatives are also more charitable on average. Conservative women are on average more beautiful. So basically if you want a better chance at living a miserable scrooge like existence complete with an uglier, less happy wife, be a godless leftist. I think that has been demonstrated well here by the amount of angry, insulting, complaining, critical posts about those with more than they.

Sorry dude, but you're the one who sounds angry, and who feels the need to swear. Sounds like you're projecting, with rants like this.

I'm not sure where you got your statistics from lol (would it be asking too much for you to give a source?) but I can assure you, I don't choose my political ideas and beliefs on the basis of what will make me happy, just what's true, right and just.

Oh yeah, and I think you'll find Scrooge wasn't a leftist... just sayin'...

[DawgBone]

Sorry dude, but you're the one who sounds angry, and who feels the need to swear. Sounds like you're projecting, with rants like this.

I'm not sure where you got your statistics from lol (would it be asking too much for you to give a source?) but I can assure you, I don't choose my political ideas and beliefs on the basis of what will make me happy, just what's true, right and just.

Oh yeah, and I think you'll find Scrooge wasn't a leftist... just sayin'...

Sounding and being are too different things James.

You are among the most consistently miserable posters, constantly bitching about the world around you and how you haven't gotten all the freebies you think you are entitled to. Here's something to make you more miserable, go look the sources up for yourself and realize the odds are stacked against you ever being content. You and a bunch of other bitter lefties have spent ample time in here projecting your jealousies, criticizing others who have more than you for having more than you.

Scrooge became charitable, and was rendered content.

[RJVB]

For crying out loud, I thought playing jazz required a minimum amount of intelligence.

Oh wait, not everyone here plays jazz as I should well know.

And if racism is protected under free speech in the US, there's even more wrong with the country than I already knew.

[James W]

Sounding and being are too different things James.

You are among the most consistently miserable posters, constantly bitching about the world around you and how you haven't gotten all the freebies you think you are entitled to. Here's something to make you more miserable, go look the sources up for yourself and realize the odds are stacked against you ever being content. You and a bunch of other bitter lefties have spent ample time in here projecting your jealousies, criticizing others who have more than you for having more than you.

Woah, these are some accusations. You got any quotes to support them?

P.S. I get plenty of freebies.

[James W]

I like how Dawgbone went from accusing leftists of being miserable and scrooge like, then informs me that Scrooge was actually charitable and content in the end.

Hilarious.

[DawgBone]

I like how Dawgbone went from accusing leftists of being miserable and scrooge like, then informs me that Scrooge was actually charitable and content in the end.

Hilarious.

Odds say leftists are more inclined to be less happy people. Math doesn't lie.

[jazznylon]

Odds say leftists are more inclined to be less happy people. Math doesn't lie.

Not only less happy but less trustworthy. I think there are studies out there that show that religious people are more trustworthy as well. I happen to fall into that less happy camp since I'm somewhat lefty and less religious. Deadly combination but somehow I'm still on truckin

[AllanAllen]

Research proves that left leaning people are less happy on average. Research also proves that religious people are more satisfied, happier overall, than non religious people. Conservatives are also more charitable on average. Conservative women are on average more beautiful. So basically if you want a better chance at living a miserable scrooge like existence complete with an uglier, less happy wife, be a godless leftist. I think that has been demonstrated well here by the amount of angry, insulting, complaining, critical posts about those with more than they.

They say ignorance is bliss. I would have to agree, you know the allegory of the cave? I really wish I could go back in the cave and be ignorant to how things beyond my control are ruining the planet for everyone. Anyway, like John Prine said, your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.

[Stringswinger]

@ DawgBone: My experience is that today's liberal Democrats are very generous.......with other people's money.

@ RJVB: indeed, America's Constitutional right to freedom of expression includes the right to express hateful ideas. The beauty of that is when those ideas are out in the open, they can be discredited and incur the disdain that those ideologies deserve.

[DawgBone]

They say ignorance is bliss. I would have to agree, you know the allegory of the cave? I really wish I could go back in the cave and be ignorant to how things beyond my control are ruining the planet for everyone. Anyway, like John Prine said, your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.

Being content does not indicate a greater level of ignorance with regard to world events anymore than being thankful for what you have indicates a lack of worldly successes or possessions.