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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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06-05-2019 02:14 AM
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The Gibson SG is the best kept secret in Jazz. Often used under cover in the studio, but seldom seen on stage. Some would even claim that every humbucker guitar sound about the same when laying down a track and that things like amps, strings and picks tend to be part of the equation.
It's a visual thing, much like haircut and shoes. One has to respect the uniform; always wear a Stetson hat and a pair of cowboy boots when you sling a Telecaster.
The 335 is a thing of beauty that a man likes to caress. No f-holes, no jazz.
(Some would claim that the 335 has better fret access than a regular archtop, almost as good as the SG, but we all know this is just bells and whistles for less orthodox players that probably have a skewed definition of Jazz.)
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Actually a 339 gives that same neck access as a 335, but in a more reasonable size...and price.
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Originally Posted by JCat
Literally no one plays an SG around these parts....
I’ll overlook your talk about caressing f holes and so on, and made me feel a bit grubby
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Originally Posted by JGinNJ
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Also found this image:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id494370916
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
The instrument itself is perfectly acceptable if you play funk or blues. Or the correct sort of jazz even. Or are sco. Or Adam Rogers. Or are a woman.
Perfectly logical.
* Kurt is allowed, you are not.
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I don't have a problem with the 335, but I must say, semi-hollows in general, I've just never bonded with one.
I'd rather play my tele or a fully hollow guitar.
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
There is some value in avoiding 20-30 minute conversations with recreational guitar purchasers after gigs about how a telecaster is an unusual choice for a jazzer. I can only imagine it’s even more the case with a guitar that is actually an unusual choice.
And then there are your bandmates, who seem to think that the sound of an electric guitar is governed by its shape and colour.
Dave Cliff liked rocking up to gigs with a Fender Bullitt (or whatever they are called.) in this case I think they bit their tongues for a number of reasons.
Obviously there are limits. A Flying V has a great tone for jazz, but I don’t think we can expect even enlightened horn players to let that one go.
It’s like people look at the f holes and think, hmmm this player isn’t a filthy rock and roller, there’s going to be some tasteful sounds here. Despite that the f holes on a 335 basically don’t do anything.
Summary: it’s a bogus fraudulent mouse guitar designed to appease fools and I’m not having it.
The shape is no accident.
(Btw I don’t think *anyone’s* fooled by the tele thinline.)Last edited by christianm77; 06-05-2019 at 10:28 AM.
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To me ES 335's have a very characteristic thunk different than ES 175. It comes out especially when on bridge pickup and lightly overdriven. Like overdriven nasal, thunk. No other guitar has it but I'm not sure if I like that sound:
Examples:
Very apparent here at 1:02 (and later during the solo): (well I actually like it there)
Also here starts at * 2:00 *
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Yeah cuz when i think of a guy that has a serious set of stones its the soft spoken spoken english dude Christianm77
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Originally Posted by callouscallus
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Also haven’t you heard that I’m a young thruster?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
As much as I like my Les Paul, my Strat and my classical, my favorite guitars do have F holes. I admit, I tried to like the 335. I prefer the Les Paul. And I enjoy the look of anxiety that my Lester sometimes affects my fellow musicians when I pull it out on a bandstand. People in the audience could care less.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
John
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
The one guy who comes up to look at my pedalboard in the break and looks *really* disappointed.
He’d notice.
Les Paul with f holes tho. This is a thing I actually like aesthetically. I tried one too and we got on great.
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Originally Posted by John A.
A. You are a fusion player and will be too loud and play too many notes or;
B. You are a rock/blues player and every solo is going to be a bunch of pentatonic licks whether they fit or not.
I am doing my part to dispel those myths.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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You use whatever tools work for you. The rest is conversation.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
That's mine posing on my equally hawt Ford Focus.
Sorry ladies, I'm taken.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
My Gremlin is in the shop. Can't get the smell of creamed corn out, dammit.
In the meantime, I drive a fancy-ass, hyooge (well, technically, it's classified as "mid-sized", but it's got manly body-on-frame construction, not that effete uni-body shit that you can't actually take off-road) SUV, because it attracts pussy like you wouldn't believe:Last edited by Hammertone; 06-06-2019 at 08:01 AM.
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When I get my Les Paul Recording out at a jazz gig I unusually get bewildered looks from the 'guitar experts' at the gig who think it's some kind of weird home-made creation with a Gibson neck on it.
On another occasion I had a guitar expert (I suspect a noodler of the pentatonic variety) tell me that my MIJ Fender '62 Custom Telecaster is NOT a real Telecaster.
My friend with an ES-335 used to get dreamy-eyed glazes from similar characters.
Elias Prinz -- young talent from Munich
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