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I've had my LH-600 for about 10 years now.
It was perfect (for me) right out of the box.
The thing I love about it, that the money is spent on, like said in a previous post, good 'raw materials'.
The top and back are really great pieces of wood (with a dramatic flame on the back) The big v-neck took some getting used to but I loved it in the end. The appointments are simple (1 layer binding, dot inlays,...) and there are some small cosmetic imperfections, but I never cared much about that. It has a big acoustic sound, but also works great with a floating pickup.
I play my '45 Epi Triumph more these days (The Loar is no match for the beautiful woody midrange of this guitar) but I enjoyed my Loar (and still do) a lot over the years.
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11-27-2018 07:51 AM
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Beautiful guitars you have there. The Loar looks great as "Blonde". Love the Epi, too.
Originally Posted by Geert
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That is what I'm most interested in. Being enamored of CC, that's the tone I would be after in an acoustic (with single pickup) archtop. I love other archtop tones- Johnny Smith's is divine, but the CC vibe is what I'm after. Originally Posted by Greentone
It seems the only 2 current production guitars that have that vice are the Loar 309 and the Godin Kingpin 5th. I played a Godin... it was nice, but it kind of did sound like a flattop guitar to me, which is not what I hear on CC recordings... I know the Loar 309 has a spotty (at best) reputation around here, but if it had the voicing I liked, I'd be willing to work with it (fret job, new nut, perhaps even re-shape the neck if I felt it necessary).
There are used ES-125s out there, but... in all honesty, as much as I love jazz guitar, I'm a dabbler. I'm a rock/blues guy who branching out in his later years. I'll be a "real" jazz guy (Brian Setzer is as close as I'm likely to get, lol). So popping for a REAL ES-125 seems a bit much.... I just want something with that old SOUND, that plays well (even if it might need a little work)...
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I am not sure that CC sound is much about acoustic qualities of guitar..That is what I'm most interested in. Being enamored of CC, that's the tone I would be after in an acoustic (with single pickup) archtop. I love other archtop tones- Johnny Smith's is divine, but the CC vibe is what I'm after.
it is a pickup and an amp and it soudns pretty much warmed up to me - almost overdriven...
I only twice tried a couple of ES-125... they were nice to hold but it is a laminated guitar I believe and overpriced on modern marketThere are used ES-125s out there, but... in all honesty, as much as I love jazz guitar, I'm a dabbler. I'm a rock/blues guy who branching out in his later years. I'll be a "real" jazz guy (Brian Setzer is as close as I'm likely to get, lol). So popping for a REAL ES-125 seems a bit much.... I just want something with that old SOUND, that plays well (even if it might need a little work)...
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I don't think the Loar 600 would be right for you then. This is older, pre Charlie Christian, pre-amplification style. But you probably know that? Originally Posted by ruger9
So the 309 LOOKS like an ES-125... a few quick thougts.It seems the only 2 current production guitars that have that vice are the Loar 309 and the Godin Kingpin 5th. I played a Godin... it was nice, but it kind of did sound like a flattop guitar to me, which is not what I hear on CC recordings... I know the Loar 309 has a spotty (at best) reputation around here, but if it had the voicing I liked, I'd be willing to work with it (fret job, new nut, perhaps even re-shape the neck if I felt it necessary).
1) pickup is probably dogshit
2) I've played one like once, and quite liked it
3) The 125 is laminate guitar. I think the ES150 originally were solid top? I've played an original CC era ES150 once. It wasn't very loud acoustically. Very low neck angle, like the Loars. The Loar 309 is solid top
So - if you can find a good 309 and swap the pickup for a P90 sized CC blade, you might be in business.
However, you may be better of with a Godin Kingpin, just for fit & finish.
Hell yeah. I mean, you want a guitar you can drag around gigs and play the crap out of don't you? But an ES-125 is on shopping list. I love those things.There are used ES-125s out there, but... in all honesty, as much as I love jazz guitar, I'm a dabbler. I'm a rock/blues guy who branching out in his later years. I'll be a "real" jazz guy (Brian Setzer is as close as I'm likely to get, lol). So popping for a REAL ES-125 seems a bit much.... I just want something with that old SOUND, that plays well (even if it might need a little work)...
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Just a a small aside, anyone know how the Gibson 1934 L5 Reissue compares to The Loar, etc? Are they overrated copies in name only? Or are they the real deal?
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I just thought I do not know any pro player that would play new Gibson... all pros who play Gibsons play old ones - very old often...Just a a small aside, anyone know how the Gibson 1934 L5 Reissue compares to The Loar, etc? Are they overrated copies in name only? Or are they the real deal?
But new J200 Jumbos are weird... I would not pay that crazy money for that.
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Sorta found my own answer here (of course). Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Just Received My Reissue L5 today and did comparison test.....
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Right. Which is why I'm discussing the Loar 309 and Godin Kingpin 5th Ave. Originally Posted by Jonah
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I'm probably one of the biggest Kingpin fanboys around here, but I think it's just SOOOO much higher quality than the 309...
The Godin P-90 is really good too. Through a small tube amp I can pretty much nail those early CC tones.
And yes, the 150 CC (and Jimmy Raney and Rene Thomas) would have played early on was a solid top...and a flat back, I think!
Definitely not much to them acoustically. Keep in mind, those CC pickups were heavy and put three screws into the top as well...
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Agreed with Jeff's assessment of the 300's. I WANT to find a 302T but every new one I tried has been abysmally made. From proud frets to bent necks, loose or badly cut nuts, buzzing bridges, some with multiples of these issues... I've seen it all. The couple of used selections I've played were even worse. I guess owners of cheap gits treat them as such.
Anyway, I'd like to find a pre-owned 302T that has been thoroughly gone over by a luthier and has straightened it out.
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This guy could make anything sound like...him. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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My 2 cents: If you go with a Godin hollow I would consider a non cutaway. The way they do the neck joint on their cutaways is awkward IMHO. Kinda makes access to the top register just as difficult as a full body. BTW, that neck joint design is something that they use on many, if not all, of their brands (La Patrie, Seagull, Godin, etc.)
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I don´t own a Loar LH600 or 700, nor a Godin 5th Avenue acoustic, but listening to youtube videos it seems The Loars got the better, louder and fuller archtop acoustic sound.
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But be warned: That fat V-neck can be tough to deal with for some people. Originally Posted by Musgo Real
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Thank you for the advise. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Several members telling the same.
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A couple of examples of getting a CC sound out of a Kingpin here:
Anyone manage to coax a CC-like sound out of a Cube?
I would strongly recommend a Kingpin over a Loar, just for the sheer quality differential. It's pretty drastic, in my experience. (Don't write off vintage Hofners either... I love my 1956-ish 459!)
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The 600 for sure, all solid wood. 300 probably too, solid top. Originally Posted by Musgo Real
But we were comparing single P-90 electric models.
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Well, we started comparing affordable acoustic archtops, because I am looking for a used LH 600, than it turns into comparing single P-90 electric models. But it is my fault, I better gave this thread a different title. Just copied the title of the youtube video. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Anyway, any informations about acoustic or P-90 archtop models are interesting.
Last edited by Musgo Real; 11-28-2018 at 01:14 AM.
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People who never quite get comfortable, like Rob, can at least say that they fought the Loar, and the Loar won Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Yeah Godins are great for bedroom practice, but they don’t stand up as a legit acoustic guitar. Originally Posted by Musgo Real
OTOH - I think a Godin with a mic (lav or stand) would be great live. The bigger voiced the guitar, the more it feeds back.
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I kind of get the feeling you want an acoustic guitar that has the option to go electric? Originally Posted by Musgo Real
Well, we started comparing affordable acoustic archtops, because I am looking for a used LH 600, than it turns into comparing single P-90 electric models. But it is my fault, I better gave this thread a different title. Just copied the title of the youtube video.
Anyway, any informations about acoustic or P-90 archtop models are interesting.
If so 309 might be your only off the shelf option cheaper than getting an Eastman. It has a decent acoustic voice iirc.
An alternative is to get an LH600 and stick a floating cc style pickup on it. Don Oz (on the forum) has actually done this, so maybe talk to him.
I use a Djangobucker which is attachable with blutack. I can get a nice amplified tone.
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Watching Robs videos on youtube I recognized that he has big hands (long fingers), I don´t have that. If he got problems... Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Musgo Real
It's about technique rathe than hand size.. if you play more like classical guitar left-hand V-neck can be traumatic...
If you have more bluesy grip with thumb up over neck it can be very convinient
You'd better ask Rob directly he will answer I am sure
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