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Uffe Steen - who's on this forum too... does fantastic job on Strat... just a couple of videos.. but h e has plenty of great stuff on youtube
And I really like his blues-rock-jazz cross-overs
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02-06-2017 09:48 AM
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truth be told, speaking as a guy who has never owned one or every really experienced one, i'd probably go for this one first:
made in japan, cool ass offset body, your choice of body or neck wood, 12" radius, contoured heel, no string trees, seymour duncan pickups... only possible downside is the nut is reported to be about 1 10/16", or slightly thinner than the norm. not that expensive, and they are even cheaper used or on ebay.
i even had a quick unplugged noodle on the cheaper mic(?) version and it felt pretty good. but i'd rather go for the fancy one, because, well... you know... would love to see how these work with some minis or filtertrons or dynasonics or even those new tv jones tele pickups, too.
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I don't like the shape tbh... looks like Jaguar and I don't like it either... somthing clumsy and wry in it.truth be told, speaking as a guy who has never owned one or every really experienced one, i'd probably go for this one first:
What I like about Teles and Strats is the contours of their shape...
Tele is maybe a bit more elegant and restrained, and Strat is more risky but very well balanced visually...
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yeah, i'm a big fan of the telemaster hybrid/shape. sadly for me, the tele (or telemaster) i'd want doesn't exist off the rack. i'd either have to settle or cobble one together. a warmoth would be north of $1k, as would an mjt. the next step up would be a k-line or danocaster, which are super pretty but also north of $2k. which brings us back to the ibanez, which ticks an awful lot of boxes at a manageable price.
Originally Posted by Jonah
i hear the classic vibe and baja ones and the are the way to go on the cheap. but i'm a tinkerer and i'd hit the next price point or two pretty fast with the mods. sort of what has kept me from getting one. aside from the fact the configuration and color/wood combos i'd prefer don't exist.
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02-06-2017, 07:51 PM #55joaopaz GuestWell, yes they're both Fender desigs, bolt on necks, same scale lenght and can share the same neck specs. Originally Posted by Jonah
But then their bodies are very different (they feel to me each with its own identity), a different PU configuration, very, very different bridges. Personally I find the Strat with a wider array of tones (I'm sure some Tele guy will bang me for this... but I have/had some 9 Teles to help me gauge the option
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..and when you hear a Tele doing its thing, and you hear a Strat doing its thing, they're unique in their own ways.
And then if you pick a Tele clone from one brand and a Strat clone from a different brand their differences are even greater.
I'd have a lot more trouble telling a Les Paul from an SG apart... (and then maybe not since the SG is currently my main axe and I'm loving it!)
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I spent an hour tioday during lunch time comparing Strats and Teles - but in this shop they had only FGN and Fernandez (some Godins too but they had different pu's).
I tried something more or less classic only - at least form the first glance: singles in traditional combination, traditional design and construction...
Well... I could hear the difference between Tele and Strat... at least for now... to me all the Strats had more interesting vivid tone in cominations of pu's - again I liked 2nd position... on more expensive model (Neoclassic) it sounded very jazzy...
Tele now seemed more straight in comparison... neck pickup sounded darker, a bit more plain.
but on bridge pickup (or mixing) it had special 'twang' that Strats did not have... I like that, but the thing is I am not sure I will really use it a lot (it's a bit like a toy to play around a bit)...
I like the looks of Teles but Strat felt more comfortable (and looks also ok)
I understand that with modern quipment I could make them sound many other ways too... but as I said I am more 'plug in and play'.
Probably to really compare it I should have both for quite a long while...
I am really considering G&L for the moment but it looks like there are no dealers in the country... only online purchase is possible, so I am still hesitating.
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Humbucker on a Tele is doing it for me.
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Well... at the momet I would like to have something more or less close to originals.Humbucker on a Tele is doing it for me.
humbuckers are all around me now)
Besides, as I said before, even with good humbuckers I have a feeling that there's something lost in harmonics... namely lost.
As if I suddenly see it darkly through the glass.
Like the sound falls into another reference system. I can't clearly explain it... but I have to adjust my hearing to appreciate it.
besides, I am no expert but today high-quality singles can be made very very close to humbuckers sound-wise if needed.
By the way I tried one Fernandez Strat with Seymour Duncan pickups too today - wuth humbucker in bridge... I did not like it.
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When I bought my Squier, I thought the looks of Tele was about the ugliest design possible, I was after Strat, but got Tele only because it was substantially cheaper. Originally Posted by Jonah
Note, in February 1987, Squier Tele cost me about 700 Deutsche Marks. At nominal rate of 2:1 it's EUR350 but actual real life buying power rate (btw DM and EUR) is more like 1:1, so it's more like EUR700, even more in quality of life rate, considering the value of money back then.
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The Tele seems to be like magic - which transfers to other guitars. An example might be spanning several frets with three fingers, despite the long scale. I guess the thin and narrow neck - and perhaps the radius? - helps.
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I agree. With single coil pups I can thicken them up (say with a bit of chorus or delay) but it's harder to go the other way with humbuckers. Originally Posted by Jonah
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To me Strat even goes further with thatThe Tele seems to be like magic - which transfers to other guitars. An example might be spanning several frets with three fingers, despite the long scale. I guess the thin and narrow neck - and perhaps the radius? - helps.
this comparison works against archtops and semi-hollowos...
I mean both Strat and Tele have it... when I first picked a Tele I decided it had shorter scale... everything seemed so achievable and available...
and with Strat now I feel like there's no guitar at all physically... It's like continuation of the body.
You know I though also about another thing... archtops are connected with acoustics in a great deal... and acoustic guiatr is about different approach.
I play early instruments too - I own lutes and baroque giuitar... for example baroque guitar has 65 cm scale (sometimes more) - the same as classical, or Fenders... but the body covers bigger part of the neck than on modern classical (I do not even mention steel string acoustics or electrics). Same thing with lutes - even big scale lutes - like baroque with 70 cm sclae - has hardly 9 or 10 frets before the body...
And when you play music for these instruments you see that they played thinking mostly in open position, involving open strings a lot...
(there were movable shap[es - but it was not the main thing about it)
Tonal transposition was not common those days not only because of technical limitation but also because of tuning (keys were different in sound, temperation was not even).
Modern classical guitar is much more like piano in that sense - you can transpose a lot, many things are taught in closed positions to make it movebale pattern etc.
And electrics go even further with that.. many players on electric guitars on teh contrary try to play as much as possible in close positions to have possibility to transpose any idea in any key easily...
We have often discussed on these forum chord forms with open strings - and mostly these are exception advanced shapes (though many - and me too - use it), not the basic thing for jazz guitar.
In that sense guitars like Strat and Tele are getting almost as close to the piano as probably possible... you see fretboard as a keyboard where you press the 'keys' with your left hand.
And exactly the fact that the fretboard is so open gives the illusive feeling that the scale is shorter... when you move in the middle of it it's like you feel you are much further than you would have been on acoustics...
And also the body is going to be close to nothing...
I like vibrabt acoustic guitar and archtop feeling... in a sense when I play acoustic I play with the body of guitar a lot.. it fells like you control it (left hand fretting or picking right hand is kind of mechanics - but the beast is the body.
but I also understand that with Strat I have very different tool... hear as I said you I much more like a synth or piano player
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Yesterday unexpectedly I bought a guitar...
I wanted to check those Vintage strats and teles that we mentioned in these thread.. ocassionally I ran into a smaller shop that had quite a good range of different brands.. I used to buy from this shop before long ago. Very nice guys, the owner is often in the showroom, talks with the customers. And they have their own price policy (I mean bogger netwok stores often keep the price on the approx. the same level).
So there were two Vintage strats on very low price (about EUR140), the reason was they were from the previously imported party when we had dofferent currency exchange rate - so put them on Sales.
Vintage VP6 (the body looks like natural mahogany) - pu's S-S-H
Vintage V6SSB (alder, three-tone sunburst, looks much like American Standard Sunburst) - pu's S-S-S
All the hardware and pu's are Wilkinson on both guitars.
Vintage VP6
Looks nice but depends on taste. Felt more or less ok, I like more woody feel of the neck and body... but I believe that to make it really good the quality should be top, for cheaper instruments it is better to honestly look like something that can be cheap and expensive guitars.
PU's sounded too dark and dull to my taste (singles too, and bridge humbucke did not help it)
Construction: nothing really bad but still some parts seemed to be really crude...
Some tuning problem. but probably just some minor corrections on scale and trussrod could cure it, besides the string on it were really old.
Vintage V6SSB
Looks great, very classic, maybe some specialist can I identify the real one, I could not. No cometic faults I could find at all.
Feels ok.
Construction: all is playable, but the nut should be changed and action has to be lowered, and the frets should be polished from sides to prevent scartching. But what I like is consistensy: I mean cheap guitar is when simething is done a bit more crude but they did all they way through, so all the frets are like this in a exatly the same way. Bad guitar is when one fret goes this another that way etc.
All in tune on frets and open strings.
PU's sound much more like Strat sound (in comparison to VP6) but still warmer. I general they have very nice tone for the price, 1 and 2 position are very mellow and still bright enough, bridge pu is very bright and sharp but quite soft at the same time.
I compared it with two Fenders - Korean and American on the spot (with price about EUR 800 and EUR 1300)... just for fun. Korean felt great had SD pu's - well there was the difference in sound really... (But I am not sure that it costs extra EUR 700)
later I will try some other really good pu's for sure.
American one also sounded fine but much closer to V6.
I bought the guitar because I thought I would not be able to buy something like this here even used at the same price..Besides that will probably allow me to order some Tele too (good one))
At home I had a chance to compare it with Fender Fugijen '90 I borrowed from a friend. Also sunburst
Guitars look absolutely identical... though one looks older. Also I am not sure if Fender pickguard and knobs were originaly that creamy tone or it's just time... (V6 has clear white).
Of course my friend's Fender is set up very well - the nut has been changed, frets are perfectly polished etc.
Concerning pu's - to be honest they sound very close - and so far my guitar I like better.. but the reason could be also thicker stings and higher action.
His guitar is about EUR 700 now.. mine is EUR 140..
Well.. I think it's a good deal and really unexpected..Last edited by Jonah; 02-10-2017 at 08:55 AM.
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Tele is better than Strat. This is not an opinion, it is objective truth.
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Period. Originally Posted by christianm77
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Double period!! Originally Posted by christianm77
Strats may be a wee bit prettier but they'll never sound like a Tele which is what all guitars strive to do when they grow up.
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Full. Stop. Originally Posted by christianm77
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Amen! Originally Posted by christianm77
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I had me a tough day yesterday. Trying to sell my house.
The buyer and my estate agent were trying it on. Trying to under cut what I want.
Really wound me up.
Told them both quite frankly to back off with this hard ball attitude.
Really pissed off.
Went to my music room, plugged in my Tele and all the frustration disappeared. Thank you Leo.
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While I am in process of adjusting my new extremly cheap Vintage V6 Strat... I keep searching for a tele...
We discussed G&L here so I keep them in focus but... if someone has any experience what could be presumably the difference between these two guitars?
For example does that metal cover neck sigle of Fenders and Squire make any sinificant difference?
Fender SQ Classic Vibe Tele 50's BB - Thomann UK
G&L Tribute Asat Classic BB - Thomann UK
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For example does that metal cover neck sigle of Fenders and Squire make any sinificant difference?
Fender SQ Classic Vibe Tele 50's BB - Thomann UK
G&L Tribute Asat Classic BB - Thomann UK
Do you mean metal covered single coil?
Basically the following....
The Fender/Squier pickup cover is there to shield the pickup from 120 cycle hum.
The G&L neck pickup is a next generation single coil designed by Leo Fender. It has less windings and higher fidelity sound. Also adjustable polepieces.
It's all down to taste in the end. Try both back to back through the same amp.
Check out the ASAT Special
This video highlights the difference in tone between the pickups.
Nice!
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I've got the ASAT Classic Tribute and, as Bill Frisell once put it, it out-teles the Tele.
It's got a regular swamp ash body, not some Ikea pine. It's got 6 brass saddles - full sound w/o intonation issues. It's got a socket that doesn't come undone. It's got the classic neck pickup without a cover, so no feedback issues. Its pickups cut through like any Tele's. but have the richness and power of a humbucker, and they don't hum, too. I don't know what exactly you mean by "metal cover neck sigle" but it's got metal in all the right places. it feels right when the Classic Vibe feels like Squier.
So go for the G&L. It's great. You'll love it.
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Thank you jazzbow and docsteve!
Your opinion is really important to me.
Plenty of Squires in the storesIt's all down to taste in the end. Try both back to back through the same amp.
but G&L's are not imported here - at least officially - but seem to be very attractive...
That'why I am asking)
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Here? Where.? Originally Posted by Jonah
Thomann.de have a return policy if you no like.
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