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    Seeing these in several players pedal boards (Frisell, Rosenwinkel, Krantz, etc.) Anyone tried one? Curious what you think of it. Thanks

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    I love mine. I have that, my delay and a volume pedal. Very cool. I play in a drone-ish band and it's a big part of my sound. We played yesterday and a man came up and mentioned Indian music and George Harrison. Works for me.

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    I have the superego, which is basically a freeze plus a loop so you can send the frozen sound through some other FX, but I basically use it like the freeze. It's fun pedal to play with, and when you freeze chords it sounds like an organ. I use it when I practice sometimes, mostly to noodle over spacey sounding drone stuff.

    But most of my playing recently has been playing "over changes", and it is not so useful for that: Its hard for me to use in in a gigging context, other than for effect on intros or the like. I suppose it could be used when comping, but i haven't done much with it in that way, part of the problem is you have to time hitting the switch while your chord is ringing out, and it takes practice to do it well.

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    I got one after seeing a Frisell video. The switch click drove me nuts, so I replaced it with a silent switch.

    http://www.mattgallagher.uk/2011/07/...-freeze-pedal/

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/301599246336

    I haven't used it much, but I might work with it if I had a solo gig. It's tricky to use effectively. You must learn to think ahead of what notes you want to sustain and ensure no other notes are ringing at the moment you engage the switch.
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    Mine has been on my pedalboard since they released the pedal. I've replaced the switch for a silent one also. It's great if you're playing in a small group setting as you can use it to flesh out the sound really well. It's also great for creating harmonies when improvising.

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    I have one too and also did the silent switch mod. I use it mainly to practice the chords of a tune in a rubato way... it's great!

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    With a bit of grit in your sound you can play bagpipe tunes with it!

    But it's good for sustaining a note of a phrase then immediately playing a semi-tone up or down and watch people squirm.

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    I am planning to buy it but more for learning reasons.

    I think it can be a good ear training tool to play a chord and solo against it.

    I will be glad to see some of you using it

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    I had one, sold it after I got the HOG (which can -among so many other things- do what the Freeze can do, but also has a cool “Glissando” mode where you can say freeze a chord, then freeze another chord and glide from one to the other by rocking the expression pedal).

    One great use case I found is to think of it like it was a sustain pedal on a piano and play it like that. For this, set the volume to about 9-10 o clock, so not very high. You'd want it rather subtle. Keep your foot on the switch and rock it to get that extra sustain. Works great on solo stuff or smaller groups where you need to fill a bit of room. Obviously, this works best if you did the “silent switch” mod, otherwise it's just clack clack clack.

    As others have mentioned already, it takes a bit of practice to sync your playing with hitting the switch.

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    Been wanting one for a while now, until pkirk opened my eyes to the SuperEgo, so now I'm really in trouble.

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    In the right hands (not mine), this would be a great tool:

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    Having a piano-style sustain pedal would be great. So someone instated a 1/4" jack jumpered across the foot switch?
    Could you elaborate on the need for a compressor? Is it wired after the Freeze?
    It would be nice if one could put another effects pedal in line with the wet signal without affecting the dry, but I'm doubtful that's possible.

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    Have one. It's great and very inspiring! Definitely a keeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    Having a piano-style sustain pedal would be great. So someone instated a 1/4" jack jumpered across the foot switch?
    Yes - though the foot switch still works.

    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    Could you elaborate on the need for a compressor? Is it wired after the Freeze?
    There's no need whatsoever for compression - it's just that I'm very interested in whether the compressor would make the on-off contact audible (as I'm trying to learn to use compression to 'shape' my sound for RnB/Soul).

    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    It would be nice if one could put another effects pedal in line with the wet signal without affecting the dry, but I'm doubtful that's possible.
    Not sure, but perhaps if the other effects pedal has two outputs (a wet and a dry-through)?

    After the video, I oiled the spring - making the pedal totally silent. I haven't had a lot of time to experiment with it, but I'm finding the piano-style sustain great for single-notes - because you can 'tailor' it to each individual note (making it more like individual/customised reverb than sustain).

    But it can be used discreetly, and in subtle ways, so I think this pedal is a very Good Thing!
    Last edited by destinytot; 12-26-2016 at 09:40 AM.

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    I changed the switch for an arcade game button on mine. Silent, solid, cheap, looks good and easy on the foot when in socks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takemitsu
    I changed the switch for an arcade game button on mine. Silent, solid, cheap, looks good and easy on the foot when in socks!
    I'd dig seeing a picture of this, if you don't mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    It would be nice if one could put another effects pedal in line with the wet signal without affecting the dry, but I'm doubtful that's possible.
    I'm not sure what you mean, but it seems like this is exactly what thee EHX superego pedal does. It's a souped up freeze pedal which has a built-in FX loop on the frozen signal: you can pass the frozen signal through whatever FX you like, while not affecting the direct signal.

    It also has a quieter switch (no click), and a few other cool aspects.

    That said, I can't use mine other than as a gimmick. It might be a great pedal for various types of experimental music, but I am unable to keep a groove going while also working this pedal in a jazz context, except maybe for rubato/intro type settings. I'd be interested in hearing Mike do a performance video, if he hasn't already

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoststrat
    I'd dig seeing a picture of this, if you don't mind
    here you go this is the guide i followed.

    Electro-Harmonix Freeze Switch Mod | www.jurimusic.com - Live Looping & Guitar Effects Geekery

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    This might good be a good time to post a few of the better demos for ideas on how to use the pedal.
    I found a discussion of folks trying to add an effects loop to the frozen signal, but the circuit they tapped seemed to have too faint a signal for that.
    It would be nice if someone could at figure out how to insert a treble pot in that location. I'd like to be able to roll off highs on the frozen signal only.



    Last edited by KirkP; 12-26-2016 at 10:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    It would be nice if someone could at figure out how to insert a treble pot in that location. I'd like to be able to roll off highs on the frozen signal only.
    Yes I believe the similar EHX Superego pedal can do that
    It's like the Freeze but the wet sound comes out of a loop send jack , which you can do
    whatever you like to and either insert it back into the return jack , or send on to another Amp or whathaveyou

    A nice demo of it here , play your chord , hold it , solo over it , rinse and repeat


    Great I was thinking about getting into a similar thing (solo over held chord)
    with a Vol pedal and a delay/reverb unit myself ....
    but I now think the Superego/freeze might be better for me

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    This thread prompted me to dust off my EXH Freeze and I'm having fun with it. I consider it to be nearly useless with the stock switch due to the distracting feel and sound of the click. It's much more satisfying with a soft-touch switch but the one I installed has a small button which is still uncomfortable for stocking feet (my preferred practice footwear Electro Harmonix Freeze Pedal). If I start using it a lot I'm definitely going to add a jack for external sustain pedal.

    I'm trying to approach it as a pianist approaches the sustain pedal, generally sustaining bass or midrange chord tones rather than high notes. It's easier to accomplish this playing fingerstyle or hybrid rather than with a pick.

    The Freeze is basically a loop pedal that loops very short sample taken just before you press the pedal. If you press the pedal at the moment you strike the string you'll generally get unpleasant mistuned and bright transients. To avoid that, I'm training myself to raise my foot at the moment I sound the strings, then drop it after they are ringing (a few milliseconds later). With that technique the reedy concertina-like tone is mostly gone and I can live without a tone control or effect loop.

    Like many effects, it's easy to overdo it and can sound horrid when played badly. I'd like to learn to use it more subtly so the listener might not even be aware I'm using a pedal unless they are paying close attention. I'll try to post my own demo soon.

    Edit: I should add that the Freeze functions more like the middle sostenuto pedal on a grand piano than the rightmost damper pedal (aka "sustain pedal"). The right pedal sustains everything that follows, not just certain notes.
    Last edited by KirkP; 12-27-2016 at 07:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Is it possible john is using a freeze here ?
    Fab performance anyway
    The Freeze didn't exist in 1992, but it's basically a loop pedal with a very short loop, which was probably possible then. I agree it's a great performance. At one point I wondered where the other guitarist was, then realized it was the bassist comping in the upper register.

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    Many people have tried and failed to add an effects loop and expression pedal to the EHX Freeze. This guy found a way:
    DIY Effects: EHX Freeze with Effects Loop and Expression Pedal | Dog Is Blue
    Last edited by KirkP; 12-27-2016 at 04:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    Many people have tried and failed to add an effects loop and expression pedal to the EHX Freeze. This guy found a way:
    DIY Effects: EHX Freeze with Effects Loop and Expression Pedal | Dog Is Blue
    Ingenious. (Thinks... "Key 9, O'Roony!")

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    Thats interesting , kinda like a long
    reverb thing
    Anyone using it for modal stuff
    Where you have a more continuous
    type drone , then solo over the top
    Does it work ok for that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    I wish it had a stereo output so the tremolo could be applied only to the effect, but it is what it is.
    If you want a freeze with an effects loop it already exists. EHX.com | Superego - Synth Engine | Electro-Harmonix

    I use the effects loop to process the wet signal through a digital multieffects (been experimenting with tremolo, vibrato, chorus, reverb, &c.) to give it some texture and eq to take some of the edge off and warm it up.
    Last edited by omphalopsychos; 12-29-2016 at 03:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Thats interesting , kinda like a long
    reverb thing
    Anyone using it for modal stuff
    Where you have a more continuous
    type drone , then solo over the top
    Does it work ok for that ?
    On my recording I had the reverb set higher on the amp than usual. The reverb helps make the frozen voice sound a little more natural, especially the fadeout.

    The Freeze is useful for holding chords while you improvise over them for practice, but I don't care for the sound of long sustains in performance. I think of the Freeze as an organ accomanist. I'd expect to hear an organ change voicings even if the chord name is fixed for a few bars. You can do the same with the Freeze. When your melody line breaks for a "breath" use the opportunity to freeze a different chord inversion below the melody. If there's time for it, a short walk to the bass note (e.g., a half-step approach) before the chord is frozen might help emulate what an organist might do.
    Last edited by KirkP; 12-29-2016 at 01:07 PM.

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    Although I usually use it for practice, sometimes it's fun for abstract noodling. Here's the freeze (/superego) with a few effects applied to the wet signal only. The guitar signal is unprocessed, straight into a 1951 valco oahu. The playing is nothing, just some noodling in g major too late at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    Although I usually use it for practice, sometimes it's fun for abstract noodling. Here's the freeze (/superego) with a few effects applied to the wet signal only. The guitar signal is unprocessed, straight into a 1951 valco oahu. The playing is nothing, just some noodling in g major too late at night.

    That could be a soundtrack. Electro Harmonix Freeze Pedal

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    It looks like this can also be done using a Neunaber Expanse pedal:




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    I couldn't resist any longer. I ordered my Freeze pedal. Should arrive next week :-)

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    I used mine in public tonight for the first time - with the piano sustain pedal, 'fast' setting, at absolute minimal volume. I've a way to go yet, but I'm getting there - but it can definitely work in performance.

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    I am thinking about buying Freeze pedal after seeing this video by Randy Hebert.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slide
    I am thinking about buying Freeze pedal after seeing this video by Randy Hebert.

    Yes! Thank you for sharing that, now I am really glad I ordered mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    I used mine in public tonight for the first time - with the piano sustain pedal
    By chance do you (or does anyone) have instructions on how to do a piano pedal mod for the freeze pedal? I am very interested in this. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skittles
    By chance do you (or does anyone) have instructions on how to do a piano pedal mod for the freeze pedal? I am very interested in this. Thank you in advance.
    So far I've only replaced the button, but I really want to do the piano pedal mod. It should be very easy. The most critical thing is to seal off the electronics from metal filings while you drill the hole. The following site describes the process, but I'm sure there are others.

    Electro-Harmonix Freeze Hack/Mod | Just Jamie

    I'm disappointed in most demo videos because I feel many don't use it in a very musical or fluid way. My objective it to use it more like a pianist would. I hope having a piano pedal instead of a button will make that feel more natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skittles
    By chance do you (or does anyone) have instructions on how to do a piano pedal mod for the freeze pedal? I am very interested in this. Thank you in advance.
    I don't have the skills, so I had it done by someone competent. I gave them the pedals and they did the rest by following the steps outlined in this video:

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    My objective it to use it more like a pianist would. I hope having a piano pedal instead of a button will make that feel more natural.
    Me, too.

    Finding the sweet spot seems to get easier, and using it with a good reverb unit certainly smoothes the transition from sustain to 'fast' release - making the decay seem more natural (rather than abrupt).

    A (small, but significant) breakthrough in using the pedal yesterday was 'freezing'/sustaining single notes before playing chord stabs (and not the other way round, i.e sustaining a chord or drone as background).

    That both sounds musical and feels natural.

    The sound is widely achieved by guitarists, without recourse to pedals - but the pedal makes it possible to momentarily 'freeze' a line while adding a chord that would otherwise be beyond reach.

    And that's very exciting.

    (Now I wish I had more time to practise. I'll be using what little time I have available to study and apply Jordan's teaching on triads - to prepare myself to make the most of new possibilities.)
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    Here is Gilad Hekselman demonstrating his pedal board and his use of the freeze:



    (After seeing this I need a Boss Super Octave as well ;-)


    EDIT: oops, it was posted before already....

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    Plus Pedal - World's first real sustain pedal for electric instruments!

    looks like someone heard you guys

    if you're feeling lucky... it may be worth emailing them as the original presale price was $179. just passing that along. not vested one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet
    Plus Pedal - World's first real sustain pedal for electric instruments!

    looks like someone heard you guys

    if you're feeling lucky... it may be worth emailing them as the original presale price was $179. just passing that along. not vested one way or the other.
    The rise and tail knobs would be nice. The EHX Freeze only gives you three or four presets. The piano-style pedal is really nice, but I think I'd rather have it closer to the floor in a separate unit instead of on top of a stomp box.

    Since I'm already invested in the Freeze, I think I'll do the outboard pedal mod and call it good.

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    Got mine last night! Love it! Since I play in a quartet without keys I see plenty of opportunities to use it. Definitely need to replace the button for a silent one, but I already counted for that. So far I feel no need for a piano-style pedal. I'll see if I can record some tonight.

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    oh and this is one of the few pedals you need to read the manual for (which I normally never do). I found there was little difference between the slow and fast relaese mode, only to find out after reading the manual that the decay-time for the slow mode is programmable. I set it to 3.2s and prefer it to the fast mode. You can really let chords blend into eachother naturally, the fast mode feels a bit too much on/off for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    I don't have the skills, so I had it done by someone competent. I gave them the pedals and they did the rest by following the steps outlined in this video:
    Thank you. This looks simpler than I expected (though I have no soldering skills).

    All of this functionality can be implemented and customized in a software platform like SuperCollider or Max/MSP. But it's very nice to step away from the computer now again. That is why our guitars do not have screens in them (yet) after all.

    Very exciting to see some innovation with real, subtle musical possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skittles
    Thank you. This looks simpler than I expected (though I have no soldering skills).
    It's an easy soldering job since you are soldering wires to the switch, not to the more delicate circuit board. But read a basic soldering how-to and watch a couple of videos first.

    I haven't tried it, but the M-Audio SP-2 looks like a cost effective option for the outboard pedal.
    M-Audio SP-2 Sustain Pedal | Sweetwater
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    found there was little difference between the slow and fast relaese mode, only to find out after reading the manual that the decay-time for the slow mode is programmable. I set it to 3.2s and prefer it to the fast mode. You can really let chords blend into eachother naturally, the fast mode feels a bit too much on/off for me.
    I also strongly prefer one of the slower settings, although I've now forgotten which one! I should tape a reminder to the pedal so I won't have to look for the manual every time I want to change it.

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    Why do I have a feeling that Electro Harmonix will come out with a " FrezzeV.2 "with new silent switch" only $99.99 more!!

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    I know this is an old thread but I wanted to add to it in case anyone stumbles upon it from google. I have had the freeze for a while now but haven't used it a whole lot. The switch is so loud and it is high enough off the ground that I found it to be very uncomfortable, at least how I would like to use it which is to have my foot on it all the time and use it like a sustain pedal. As is it is fine to set up drones or whatever but for constant use I did not like it. So I took out the switch and just put in a 1/4" input jack (the same kind as we have on guitars). The wiring is super simple and you can use the existing hole to put in the jack since there is enough clearance for a quarter inch cable to be plugged in from the top. Now I can plug in a sustain pedal from a piano, which solves the other problem too which was that you can run the thing on batteries which really limited how far I could put the pedal from an outlet. I can put the pedal on my amp and run the sustain pedal (which has a very long cord) over to me since I do not need to actually be able to reach the controls. It is amazing like this - I don't know why they didn't think to add a quarter inch input option stock since it seems like it is meant to be used like this. I am using the flat box pedal rather than the actual piano style pedal since the box is so low to the ground - it is silent and very easy to press. I'm very happy with the mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rio
    I know this is an old thread but I wanted to add to it in case anyone stumbles upon it from google. I have had the freeze for a while now but haven't used it a whole lot. The switch is so loud and it is high enough off the ground that I found it to be very uncomfortable, at least how I would like to use it which is to have my foot on it all the time and use it like a sustain pedal. As is it is fine to set up drones or whatever but for constant use I did not like it. So I took out the switch and just put in a 1/4" input jack (the same kind as we have on guitars). The wiring is super simple and you can use the existing hole to put in the jack since there is enough clearance for a quarter inch cable to be plugged in from the top. Now I can plug in a sustain pedal from a piano, which solves the other problem too which was that you can run the thing on batteries which really limited how far I could put the pedal from an outlet. I can put the pedal on my amp and run the sustain pedal (which has a very long cord) over to me since I do not need to actually be able to reach the controls. It is amazing like this - I don't know why they didn't think to add a quarter inch input option stock since it seems like it is meant to be used like this. I am using the flat box pedal rather than the actual piano style pedal since the box is so low to the ground - it is silent and very easy to press. I'm very happy with the mod.
    Did you find room for a battery inside the box, or do you mean you plugged a battery into the power supply jack? You use a standard 9V battery? How long does the battery last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    Did you find room for a battery inside the box, or do you mean you plugged a battery into the power supply jack? You use a standard 9V battery? How long does the battery last?
    According to their website The FREEZE’s current requirement is 140mA at 9VDC. For example, with a current draw of 37mA the Boss FRV-1 reverb has an expected battery life of 10.5 hours (continuous use), and mine lasts indeed 3 or 4 gigs. You won't use the Freeze continuously I suspect, but I doubt it would do more than 2 gigs on one battery, does it?
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