Trend of parting out old guitars...

**vinlander** · 10-07-2015, 11:54 AM

I wonder to what extent the vintage tone of that 10K 1958 175 depends on its PAF and electronics vs the same guitar with un potted Seth Lovers.

**Woody Sound** · 10-07-2015, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by vinlander

I wonder to what extent the vintage tone of that 10K 1958 175 depends on its PAF and electronics vs the same guitar with un potted Seth Lovers.

If I knew I would absolutely never be selling the guitar, I would be tempted to part out that pickup if it fetched a couple o' Gs.

**jzucker** · 10-07-2015, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by nopedals

The money you save buying a guitar with wrong parts you will lose on resale.

no you won't.

**jzucker** · 10-07-2015, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by vinlander

I wonder to what extent the vintage tone of that 10K 1958 175 depends on its PAF and electronics vs the same guitar with un potted Seth Lovers.

i think i've answered that question already. Nobody could tell my '63 or '65 barney kessel is not original based on the tone. They have as much if not more vibe than my original '60s 175.

The whole vintage pickups and parts thing is a hoax IMO. So are $500 "vintage correct" imitation pickups.

**SamBooka** · 10-08-2015, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by nopedals

The money you save buying a guitar with wrong parts you will lose on resale.

How is that? it has not been my experience. You might loose out on upgradeing the parts but that is why you alway sell with the parts that came with the guitar and keep to upgrades to sell separately.

**nopedals** · 10-08-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nopedals

The money you save buying a guitar with wrong parts you will lose on resale.
How is that? it has not been my experience. You might loose out on upgradeing the parts but that is why you alway sell with the parts that came with the guitar and keep to upgrades to sell separately.
All I am saying is that if you buy a $5000 guitar for $3000 because it has non-original parts, when you sell it, you are not going to get $5000 for it. Likely tougher to move, too, even at 3K.

My experience is that when I buy a clean guitars, I usually end up making money on the resale. When I buy guitars with switched out parts, I lose money on resale. YMMV.

**jzucker** · 10-08-2015, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by nopedals

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Originally Posted by nopedals

The money you save buying a guitar with wrong parts you will lose on resale.
How is that? it has not been my experience. You might loose out on upgradeing the parts but that is why you alway sell with the parts that came with the guitar and keep to upgrades to sell separately.
All I am saying is that if you buy a $5000 guitar for $3000 because it has non-original parts, when you sell it, you are not going to get $5000 for it. Likely tougher to move, too, even at 3K.

My experience is that when I buy a clean guitars, I usually end up making money on the resale. When I buy guitars with switched out parts, I lose money on resale. YMMV.

that's a sweeping over-generalization. One guy on this forum bought a '62 175 with swapped out parts for $2500. I hardly think he'd lose money on that given that an original sells for close to $10k.

Like anything else, it's supply and demand and depends on the particular item you are selling and how much you paid for it.

**nopedals** · 10-08-2015, 03:51 PM

Sheesh Jack, read my post: "My experience" "YMMV"; How is that a "sweeping generalization"?

I'll stick to the basic point; clean original guitars are easier to sell than ones with replaced parts. If that is a sweeping generalization, I plead guilty.

**jzucker** · 10-08-2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by nopedals

Sheesh Jack, read my post: "My experience" "YMMV"; How is that a "sweeping generalization"?

I'll stick to the basic point; clean original guitars are easier to sell than ones with replaced parts. If that is a sweeping generalization, I plead guilty.

I'll stick to the point too. Have you ever tried to sell a $10k "clean guitar" ? I've seen some listed for literally years on reverb and ebay. A cheaper guitar is easier to sell. That's a generalization I think we can all agree on. An expensive guitar is harder to sell.

**Hammertone** · 10-08-2015, 05:30 PM

I had my stock '62 ES-175 for sale at a fair price for several years. No bites.
Eventually, I gave up on it, replaced the original parts with perfectly good aftermarket parts, and sold everything separately. It took five minutes to sell the PAFs and wiring assembly. It took ten minutes to sell the guitar, and its new owner is thrilled with it.

As it happens, the wiring harness from that guitar is for sale again.
Right here, for any of you looking to restore your '62 ES-175:
1962 GIBSON USA PAF Wiring Harness Nickel > Guitar Parts - Blue Hugh Music

**edh** · 10-08-2015, 11:08 PM

Hammertone, I assume you disclosed to the buyer that it did not have the original parts.

**Eddie Lang** · 10-08-2015, 11:43 PM

Having seen many of Hammertone's listings in the For Sale section, I have no doubt that he is a full disclosure kind of guy.

**Hammertone** · 10-09-2015, 01:57 AM

Well, he did get the original rubber grommet.
I do still have the original nickel-plated zig-zag tailpiece if anyone needs one for a restoration.
It's a very hard-to-find part.

**SamBooka** · 10-09-2015, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by edh

Hammertone, I assume you disclosed to the buyer that it did not have the original parts.

I was looking at this when he sold it (I was after a mangled/restored 56(?) with a single p90 but just missed it)

HTone was very clear on what had and what had not been done to the guitar..