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Jeff the thing is the Henriksen is flat with the knobs at 5... so it works like a power amp and it's perfect to put those pedals in front and kind of having two amps. Also a way of having a tube sound in a light loud small package. The Henriksen sounds really good with a NBarb EQ, a reverb pedal and an open back cab with Jensens. Scary close to a real tube amp!
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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02-15-2015 08:00 AM
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I don't know....
With the treble and bass turned all the way down and the mids up on my Fender HRD, the amp approaches flat EQ, and with just a few simple mods (Cannabis Rex speaker and lower gain tubes), I get power, great cleans and good Fender reverb for $350-$450 in the used market.
So with a Henriksen plus pedals I'd spend North of $1,500 to get 13 lbs (45 vs 32 lbs) lighter weight?
May not compute.......Last edited by boatheelmusic; 02-15-2015 at 08:45 AM.
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Well there's a used marker for everything... but still it's more expensive than a used HRD.
Aside from weight (very relevant if you gig btw) there's also tone. An Henriksen with a Barb EQ provides not only more sounds than an HRD (blackface, tweed, marshall, plus grphic eq) it also sounds much better, to my ears. Also a good reverb pedal is much better and versatile than the HRD's reverb. And everytime you want new sounds (ampeg, dumble, etc...) you just need to get a new pedal.
I never had the tonal problems you're describing on the HRD with that rig.
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Thanks, no tonal problems with the HRD, just getting flat tone instead of scooped if that's what's wanted......and I've always thought Fender spring reverb set the standard by which others are compared....
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I put Wampler Balck 65 and/or Barber Eq in front of the Henriksen.
Maybe it's time now to try a Joyo pedal: JF 307 Clean Glass or JF-14 American Sound?
The "funny thing" is that at a couple of gigs I asked my bandmates:
" how do you like the sound 1) No pedals 2) Wampler 3) Barb Eq.
They answered " 1) no pedals.Last edited by Jazz_175; 02-16-2015 at 08:35 AM.
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Yeah I was just explaining why that rig works best for me.
Yes, old fender's sound and reverb are a standard. Not current ones (for me, of course).
Anyway, good luck, hope you can solve the problem.
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Choices, choices!!
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I have - as you all know by now - a Henriksen JazzAmp110 (Weber California speaker) and a Henriksen JazzAmp112 (stock Beta 12A speaker). No plans to replace either one, but I may break down and get a Henriksen 'Bud' if/when discretionary funds allow!
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I am very surprised to learn that the Jazz Amp is 'flat with the knobs at 5'. Really??? Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
i started off running my Jazz Amp 10 Convertible with all EQ knobs all set at 12 noon, but now I'm using the Jimmy Bruno settings with all the knobs at 9.
I'm just a bedroom jammer but my ears tell me the tone I get with my Jazz Amp, HOF reverb set low and ES-175 is everything I need to get the Jazz tone I love.
Having said that, I'm probably going to order a Little Bud today (to get the introductory price) as I think it will work well with my steel string flat tops and when I add my 10" Jazz Amp cab as an extender - also with my Strat and Zen Drive. 😄
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Yeah flat at 5. That does not mean it will sound good that way
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Steve, how do you know Jimmy actually uses this amp?
Thanks,Last edited by boatheelmusic; 02-15-2015 at 01:22 PM.
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Henriksen 112 for $550:
KILLER DEAL Henriksen 112 Amp (guitar/bass)
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Well I've never fully understood the EQ on the Jazz Amp (and that's after having Bud explain it to me and reading over the data sheet Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
Yeah flat at 5. That does not mean it will sound good that way.
Having said that, it doesn't make any sense to me that 'flat' is at 5. I've always though that 'flat' was the most neutral position . . . where you could hear the natural sound of the instrument plugged in. If flat is at 5 (o'clock I'm assuming), then there is no way to adjust it north of there. Am I missing something?
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Well I know he played one a lot early on and is quoted to really love it. Not certain if he is still playing a Jazz Amp. Originally Posted by boatheelmusic
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Originally Posted by StevieB
Well I've never fully understood the EQ on the Jazz Amp (and that's after having Bud explain it to me and reading over the data sheet.
Having said that, it doesn't make any sense to me that 'flat' is at 5. I've always though that 'flat' was the most neutral position . . . where you could hear the natural sound of the instrument plugged in. If flat is at 5 (o'clock I'm assuming), then there is no way to adjust it north of there. Am I missing something?
Maybe that's 5 on the dial (out of ten), not 5o'clock?
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Man, really sorry. Flat at 5/10... so eveything at noon. Again, sorry Steve. Originally Posted by StevieB
Well I've never fully understood the EQ on the Jazz Amp (and that's after having Bud explain it to me and reading over the data sheet.
Having said that, it doesn't make any sense to me that 'flat' is at 5. I've always though that 'flat' was the most neutral position . . . where you could hear the natural sound of the instrument plugged in. If flat is at 5 (o'clock I'm assuming), then there is no way to adjust it north of there. Am I missing something?
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No worries jorgemg1984 . . . Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
I know very little about EQ ing etc. and was thinking maybe I even knew less than that.
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I must be missing something. Without pedals, I need to carve out the mids on mine. Seems the amp is all midrange if set flat and it's not a pleasant sound. Maybe good for cutting through a combo like a horn but there's no acoustic quality to it even with the nice Redstone 110ER. With the mids carved out it's tolerable, but not great. Of course, I'm a big fan of an acoustic tone and everything about tone is full of variables and differences in what we each seek.
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I have a Henricksen Jazz Amp 'Tweety' I might be willing to sell you. Originally Posted by Spook410
Last edited by StevieB; 02-15-2015 at 06:30 PM.
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Hi Boatheelmusic, I know that he's used a Henriksen for a long time. He may have switched over the last year or so since I've had little contact and haven't kept up but prior to that, it was his main amp. Originally Posted by boatheelmusic
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The 'ER' part of a Redstone 110ER is 'Extended Range'. Has a tweeter and rheostat. Originally Posted by StevieB
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Magnetic pickups usually have lots of mids so with some guitars cutting the mids is the way to go. My Guild needs lots of mids but my Godin hates them for example... the idea that a flat amp gives a pure tone it's just forum talk really - magnetic pickups don't do that. Originally Posted by Spook410
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Thanks Jorge. So many variables and so many different definitions for what a good sound is. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
I have a DTAR Solstice with a Schertler Jam 150 extension that really does sound flat. Using it as a reference leaves the impression that the Henriksen is significantly coloring the sound even considering magnetic pickups. It's interesting to me that a pedal (Joyo American in this case) makes so much difference. Would like to look at some waveforms or see a really clear explanation to gain an understanding of what's actually going on there.
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Spook my knowledge ends here but there are people here on the forum who can help you, hope they chime in.
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I guess it depends on what 'coloring/ colouring' the sound actually means. It's theoretically possible to have an amp that amplifies all frequencies equally, within a given range - hence the idea of a 'flat response' amp.
What isn't yet possible, as far as I know, is to have a single speaker that will do the same job ( although some sophisticated multiple speaker/ crossover units etc can come pretty close). Just look at the frequency response graph for the beta 10, a commonly used amp speaker, and the one used in the Jazzamp. It's all over the place, anything but 'flat'. PA speakers are designed to give a 'flatter' response, but still it's easy to see that they colour the sound - IF colour/ color means to emphasise some frequencies more than others.
The other big variable IMO is where the frequency of the mid controls are on an amp - varying these up or down a couple of hundred hertz has a very pronounced effect - IF you use any mid boost or mid cut. Of course, in the 5 position there should be theoretically no effect.
One of the reasons I don't find the Henriksen 'eq' system particularly useful is that you have 5 of these eq points, all with the capability of boosting or cutting particular frequencies at particular points. In other words, a multiple -coloration system. They are called 'equalisers', but they operate on the same principle as conventional tone controls i.e. filters for a particular frequency, set within a certain pass-band ( i.e. range), just like a 'mid' control on a conventional amp.
There's yet another factor, familiar to anyone who likes Polytone amps. These amps have the ability to colour the sound even with tone controls set flat. Some on this forum, incl me, think that the ICs ( 'chips') in the older Polytone design produce a kind of harmonic distortion that makes the sound thicker and more dense-sounding. Modern amps wouldn't have that effect so much, if at all.
So, lots of factors at work, leaving aside the effect that the pickup itself has, and which people debate endlessly......In the end, a 'good' sound is what sounds right to you.
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