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I have 2 Henriksen JazzAmps, a 110 (with a Weber California speaker) and a 112 (with the stock Eminence Beta 12A). I love them both. The 112 sounds perfect with my Eastman AR403, and the 110 sounds perfect with my Godin Montreal Premiere. They both sound good, alone or together, with my P90-equipped Tele. But ...
The 110 in gig bag is quite luggable, but the 112 (also in a gig bag) is a bit awkward: While it's only 32 pounds (without the bag), I turned 66 a month ago, and I'd rather go smaller and lighter if possible. Also, I don't play very loud with the AR403. So, I've been thinking of selling the 112 and getting a DV Mark Little Jazz. (The Henriksen 'Bud' is too expensive, as are the Quilters and Mambos - I want a net monetary gain.) But then I thought about the DV Mark Jazz 12 - same amp, bigger partially open-back cabinet with a 12" speaker (my general preference and provides a myriad of speaker-replacement options), only $50 more than the Little Jazz, and the same weight as the JazzAmp 110.
No rush, but when the weather warms up I think I'll take my AR403 over to GC and try both DV Marks. Just sayin' ...
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02-01-2015 03:33 PM
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GC has knocked another $100 off the price of the DV Mark Jazz 12. Could be a sign of being discontinued. Or replacing with a new model.
I've had mine a couple of weeks now and was able to get it new at a little less than the current sale price (trade in and coupon). It's the only amp I've used since I bought it. Hard to beat at that price.
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In walks Bud! That amps seems more aimed at acoustic guitars (with its tweeter). I've also bought into the need for a 12" speaker. As long as my back holds out...
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Tom, do you really want to get rid of the Henriksen 112? You'll miss the deep fat tone of the 112....
Originally Posted by Tom Karol
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No! Originally Posted by Jazz_175
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Any interest in trading across your Henriksen 112 for a Quilter Aviator Ultalight 8?
Just thinking out loud . . . not like I need anything new, but it could be fun . . .
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@LtG: Probably not, but we'll see: My goal would be to get an amp that sounds just as great - albeit without the same volume potential - as my 112 with that particular guitar (the AR403), yet weighs 10 pounds less.
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Here's an interesting demo I haven't seen before. Comparison of the Little Jazz with the Cube 30
Current sale prices for this and the 12 at GC are very tempting.
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45 watts seems awfully low
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That Little Jazz is on sale at $349 now from Guitar Center -- couldn't resist so I pulled the trigger tonight.
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Yup for Solid State that is real low, practice amp wattage. Originally Posted by drbhrb
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My old cube 40w (10" speaker) isn't loud enough to gig.
But my orange cube 60w (12" speaker) is very loud,
The volume button has never seen the number 5.
The main matter with this two DV Mark new amps is : there are no real reviews about their behavior on gigs.
So, we don't know if they are loud enough, I read only suppositions and no affirmations.
Maybe it's a bargain. Maybe, it's a waste of money.
IMO, on the previously video, the volume between the cube and the little jazz is too unbalanced to judge something.
About the Bud, I see it more like an acoustic amp to amplify acoustic guitar and voice than a true jazz guitar amp.
Another soluce is the polytone 8".
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My experience with the 80/100W polytone 8" amp ( baby brute/ megabrute) is that it's just about loud enough to hold with a sax player, and stay clean. So, in a drummer -less quartet, yes; with loud drummer, definitely no.
With this comparison, I'd say that 45W was not enough for many gigging purposes. Quiet wine bar stuff, maybe.
I'm puzzled, like others here, as to why DVM have chosen to rate the Little Jazz at only 45W, when it would have cost relatively little to uprate it to 100W+. Worth noting that most modern jazz amps are rated well above 100W - the AER compact 60 and lunchbox being exceptions, but then these aren't really gigging 'jazz amps'.
I'm even more puzzled as to why fan cooling is required, at 45W. The Hendriksen is rated @ 120W, is an analogue amp ( i.e. not class D) and requires no fan cooling. The small polytone @ 80W had no fan.
So, the Little Jazz is a bargain, or a waste of money, will depend on what you need to do with, IMO. For home use, might be a good deal.
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Chris I believe going with more watts would not imply significant extra costs on the power amp side but probably on the speaker side... just guessin, there's no other reason for going with 45w.
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Wattage is not the only relevant measure when comparing amps: Tech Tip: Wattage, Speaker Efficiency, & Amplifier Loudness | The HUB
It is also important to know what wattage measure is being used (Peak, Power or RMS): GM Arts - Guitar Amplifiers. This is even more relevant when comparing amps from different eras when advertising standards were much looser and different calculations were used to derive the stated amp wattage.
Even knowing wattage, two amps of the same wattage measure but different designs can deliver different amounts of power to the speaker resulting in substantially different volumes. From that standpoint and considering speaker efficiency it is possible for a lower wattage rated amp to be louder than a much higher wattage rated amp.
Whether watts are delivered by a tube amp or solid state amp is only relevant when determining what happens when the signal clips.
To offer a real world example, I've done rock gigs playing bass on a 12w amp and a very efficient speaker against two guitar players using a 25W Tremolux and a 40w HR Deluxe plus a loud drummer. Medium room. No PA. Moderate volumes (Guitar amps on 4-5). I had no issues being heard. Wasn't a clean/modern bass tone but in that context, it worked.Last edited by hanktx; 02-03-2015 at 11:09 AM. Reason: typo
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About the price of a class D amp, I give my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong but we are on this forum to debate and to improve our opinions.
Well, I read often "for few bucks more, DV Mark can make a 100W amp". I don't think.
The price of the IC is slightly superior, yes it is.
But, it's the signal of the guitar pickup which is amplified.
And an amp can not make electrical power.
It's the power supply unit at the input which gives his power to amplify the signal.
On another side, it's the power supply unit which goes to limit the output power of the amp.
So if DV improves their amp from 45W to 90W, they need to double their power supply unit,
and if they double the power supply, they need to change a lot of composants (transformers, capacitors, diodes, transistors, speaker, etc..),
and if they change lot of composants on a printed circuit board, they need to make a new design.
Quickly, the price increases and the weight, too.
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I guess the specification of the IC (Integrated Circuit) requires a heat sink. So with a fan cooling, the size and the weight are decreased. Originally Posted by Franz 1997
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I know wattage isn't the only factor. Speaker efficiency, speaker size, cab construction, and other factors play into the overall loudness. With wattage alone you need 10x the wattage to double the volume so the difference between 45 watts and 100 watts isn't huge. But in an amp with a small speaker, you've gotta make up the loudness somewhere else. Hence why the Lunchbox is 200 watts(135 RMS). I'd love to try one of these in person but I'm skeptical it could hold out on a gig.
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I do like the sound of that Little Jazz in that demo. Guitar Center does seem to have it priced right for both models right now.
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Lunchbox is giggable. Not the world's most beautiful tone at high volumes, but it's freakin' loud and can stay clean. Plenty loud if no drummer present. However the earlier Lunchboxes were inconsistent, and some were a lot louder than others. That was my experience anyway. Mine is quite old (purchased used almost 4 hears ago) so YMMV with newer ones. Originally Posted by drbhrb
Has anybody A/B'd the Lunchbox vs. Little Jazz?
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I don't think the DVLJ can use a class D amp- typically, 200w class D units need NO cooling. I assume it's analogue, class A/B. Originally Posted by nado64
Well, the wattage could be uprated - it's a question of at what cost , relatively . And Jorge, of course you're right, I didn't think about the speaker. I'd imagine that it might cost say 20-25% more ( of the production cost, not retail cost) to update the unit and speaker - but it's only a guess. So, not 'a few bucks', but not a huge extra cost.
But, that's not the point. The point is, if this amp is otherwise a really good amp, but fails ( I'm not saying it will, but it might) in the market, because the designers underestimated the wattage required to make it a gigging amp, then that extra 25% would have been money well spent, as fewer players buy amps for home use only.
And don't forget, as I pointed out earlier ,a gigging amp that was designed in 1982 ( Polytone Babybrute) and that has been very successful in the market for nearly 30 years, even in the 80s was rated at 80W. So if I was designing a gigging amp today, i'd need a very good reason to rate it at approximately half that of a very successful 80s amp, unless I intended it mainly for home use. I'd imagine Polytone decided in 1982 that 80W was appropriate, based on some input from the gigging pros already using their products, rather than just guessing.
A couple of earlier posts make comparisons with tube amps - but apples/ oranges. My experience is that a 20W tube amp with a 12" can sound as loud as any 80W SS amp with an 8". A Deluxe blows away an 8" Polytone, and that's still a reasonably loud amp. As hanktx says, the wattage comparison is only relevant when the amp clips; but try listening to a SS amp through a 8" speaker clipping - nothing like a tube amp. And of course, speaker size also has a direct relationship with sound pressure per watt, and hence clean 'loudness'. All other things being equal, a 12" is significantly louder than an 8".
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Assuming we are comparing apples to apples with eq settings etc, the DV Mark Little Jazz has a much better jazz flavor than the Cube IMO.
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Well, I'm keeping what I've got (the 110 and the 112). But at $350 (GC's current price), I might cave in and get a Little Jazz too! But let's see what the taxman says first.
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Hi Tom, yes a real dilemma -- I'm struggling with the same issue-- trying to reduce the footprint but yet be gigable. I think the Henriksen Bud would be more appealing if it were a little bigger with an 8 inch speaker. Be interested to see how it plays! The DV Mark 12 is probably much louder -- but it is also quite large - 17 x 17 x 12 inches.
Here's a few videos of the DV Mark Little Jazz in a trio setting (sounding good):
I'm thinking this amp would be perfect for smaller, quiet gigs as well as a practice amp. And the new price makes it even more attractive. So I'm thinking I'll keep my Polytone V for the larger gigs -- and I'll bring along the Little Jazz for a backup -- just in case.
Bill
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The Little Jazz sounds great. Much warmer than the cube. I recently tried one at the local Long & McQuade store and I loved it. I am really tempted. Originally Posted by goshawk
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