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Gibson now only offers the 1959 VOS ES175 which I do not like at all. They are being kind to us though by now offering the VOS 1959 ES175 in flamed maple for a slight increase of $1400 over a regular ES175.
I have always said that Gibson is one CEO away from being a great company. Thank you again Henry J.
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01-08-2015 05:27 PM
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There should be enough used ES-175's to choose from already at reasonable prices. If not, Eastman makes a great knock off for under $1K
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I'll never argue with anyone about how wonderful Gibson guitars might be but I'll never know because I refuse to pay that much for guitars that I feel are "that" over priced. I'm sure they are wonderful. But I'll never know and I'm fine with that
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Gibson is a successful Company for good reasons, and their resale remains strong.
Has anyone here ever paid list price for a Gibson?
Retail list is so irrelevant.
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I recall a few people paying over $4000 for the new 'Less Is More' approach Gibson have.
That means 'You Get Less, You Pay More' ;-)
But hey money has a different value to different people. I only get irked when the marketing department makes out their doing you a favour for it.
Which they do!
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And that why the market for used Gibson's is so big. Wasn't it last year or year before the archtops other than the 175 all became custom order only. You only see them in stores that order customs knowing they will always sell.
Gibson gone like many acquired companies a bunch of suits with no background in the market they are selling into. The CEO is suppose have experienced knowledgeable exec's who advise him on decisions, but looks like the exec's are lacking too. I got to play the advisory role at a major corp once it was fun. Company I worked for was acquired so I ended up going to the weekly executive staff meeting in being one of the back row people. I enjoyed when VP of Marketing kept looking to me to clue him in on something or to just nod approval that some statement he just made was correct. It was greatest thing to happen to me in my career because I no longer had that fear of CEO's or other CE's or VP many have. I learned how to speak to them. I also like being one of the guys not in a suit.
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I though the regular ES175 was a bit overpriced. Adding $1400 to that seems crazy.
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It's still on their website--how do you know it's discontinued?
Danny W.
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If you know what you want the bigger name dealers can get you almost anything .... if you're willing to pay for it
Most of these dealers will give you a better price than MAP if you call and talk with them ... even better if you can visit their store
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The ES 175 is overrated, anyways. Never saw the point in paying thousands of dollars for a laminate guitar.
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Maybe because it's the most recorded and iconic jazz tone in history?
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What's the position with Gibson custom shop builds ?. For a long time they were pushing that certain dealers would take orders for custom builds, but I don't see it being emphazised at all these days.
Originally Posted by Bluedawg
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The custom shop stopped custom orders in 2011. They only make production models now. Not to mention if you order a L5 or something like it plan on a year or so wait and of course the big price increases. My brand new L5 cost $5700 in 2008. Now a 2015 175 almosts costs that. What can I say: I love/hate Gibson.
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From their website only Gibson Memphis 175's over $5K for 2015. But...
The 175 started as a budget alternative to the L-5. And Epiphone now makes a decent version of the 175 with Gibson 57 pickups and a thin lacquer finish. So maybe that's their plan? Move base 175 production to Epiphone, and satisfy the collectors with the Memphis offerings?
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What would a custom order be in Gibson's case? Woods and finish colors? Clearly they are doing that for their dealers today. Or does custom Gibson mean more than that? Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Custom is a loosely thrown around term nowadays. Car companies do it "special edition" "Limited Edition" and "Custom" are thrown about because people buy them.
The "VOS" finish is not vintage looking, it looks cheap and from a manufacturing standpoint, it probably is.
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I'd have to check with my local dealer, Rainbow Guitars, to see what they say now Originally Posted by pubylakeg
I talked with them a couple of years ago and was told that all of the archtop guitars would only be done by custom order ....
My understanding is that meant they wouldn't make 25 or 50 L5s, Super 400s, etc. and then try to sell them to dealers .. but that they would wait for the dealer orders before going into production .... at the time they had a 1.5 year waiting list on orders
As for truly custom orders ... unusual pickup choices or colors or different in-lays or art work .. I have no idea ... but Rainbow told me that Gibson would make anything they asked for
Maybe I need to get back down there and talk to them ....
But there are some L5s there that I've managed to avoid buying so far ... the closer I get to them more my credit card wants to jump out of my wallet and take one home
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my brother bought a new ES-175 about 10 years ago. When I finally got a chance to play it, I was underwhelmed.
If I wanted a guitar in that style and I wanted to buy new, I'd buy an Eastman or a Peerless Gigmaster. Maybe an Epiphone ES-175 Premium.
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Seventy-seven Guitars Fat Hawk, Archtop Tribute, Tokai FA235. All out of Japan and Made in Japan.
Used ES-175s are aplenty. Try Norlin Gibsons if it has to be Gibson...they don't play so badly now when you look at the New price tags.
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we have this conversation regularly ...and unfortunately the same point is valid ..........
you don't buy a Gibson L5 because you just want an archtop jazz guitar (for that price you can get a custom luthier to build you one totally to your spec ..) BUT you buy it because as Mr Beaumont mentioned above you want an iconic GIBSON guitar L5 /ES175 or whatever which is immortalised in jazz history,
because we all know there are guitars equal in quality /some even way better in quality/build/playability for far less money but they still not got Gibson on the headstock, and that equates to history and status and that is important to many out there ....
same as we see the value/prestige/status in a Rolex timepiece where a timex can keep time just as well ...yet people still want and buy RolexLast edited by Keira Witherkay; 01-09-2015 at 01:38 AM.
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Fair point, I guess.. Originally Posted by Broyale
What about the mark up on a "posh" les paul with a slightly different "burst"...that to me is crazy pricing.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Im gonna dispute the word tone. I would prefer the word Guitar.
Many people don't like Joe Pass's sound, many People don't like Jim Hall's sound, many people don't like Pat Metheny's sound, many people don't like Wes's sound when he used a 175.
The most iconic and loved tone is that of the L5, not the 175 but the 175 is more iconic because it was more widely used, not enjoyed (imo).
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Gibson dealer mark up is about 33% thats why dealers love them.
Players want to, thats the difference Imo
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Guys,They will charge as much as will pay. Simply don't buy them and the market will take care of the rest.
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Can you custom order a '59 VOS without the faux aging of the finish?
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