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Live w/ singers I've had good luck plugging my Eastman 810CE floater and 803CE neck humbucker through a Tech 21 Liverpool Character Series set clean into P.A.
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09-29-2014 05:14 PM
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I would use a DI box between the guitar and the soundboard along with a mic preamp. I have a LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI with parametric EQ and an el-cheapo ART TubeMP. The TubeMP puts out phantom power so it can power the Baggs, which is kind of handy, and provides some tube-y warmth. I run the signal from the guitar to the DI to the TubeMP and then to the board when I do this (usually I use an amp).
Since most PAs have reverb if needed (most rooms don't need it), I don't bother with a reverb pedal- come to think of it, one of my amps doesn't have reverb and I've never missed it on a gig. Between the EQ on the Baggs, the EQ on board and some warmth from the mic preamp, it's possible to get a very good sound. In a good room, I would think it'd be easier to hear the mix for duo type things; I've never done one of those gigs.
I also use the TubeMP in the effects loop on my Clarus which helps de-sterilize and warm up the sound a bit. It's not really useful for distortion but it does get a touch of some breakup on the attack of notes and chords if I want.
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I've got the joyo American sound. Its cheap and I use it as a backup in case my Fender combo goes down. I think I paid 30 pounds for it off ebay. I've never had to use it at a gig but I've tried it and its ok. I might start using it for some small bar, trio gigs we've got coming up to maximise space on stage.
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I have been using the line out from my Fender SCXD. It works great as a preamp with all the effects. The sound through the PA at the club we are playing is the best I have ever experienced. It helps that it's an old downtown store with 30-foot high ceilings that was converted to a bar.
I think my Fishman Loudbox also has a DI out. I realize this is a bit of weight to lug around, but it's nice to have the controls and effects of the amp you're used to playing.
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I often have played my digitech gnx3000 modeler straight into powered pa speakers. Here's a sound sample:
https://app.box.com/shared/1coi5ja7yz
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Some pickups sound better than other going straight to a PA. My Bill Lawrence pickups (L90s and L609s) sound very good going straight to a PA.... they're very high fidelity pickups so they lack that mid range emphasis that tends to make most pickups sound not so good through a PA.
A modelling pedal would be the way to go.... both the Boss Fender Deluxe Reverb and Boss Fender Bassman pedals sound great.
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That sounds great, Frank. What guitar is it?
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I have a RockBug, too. Very simple - no tone shaping just an amp/cab simulator. I use it as an emergency backup into the PA if my amp goes down. But I've used it at rehearsals direct to the PA with excellent results. With the cabinet switch in the 'open' position, it produces a sound somewhat reminiscent of a Fender Twin.
Originally Posted by woland
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Hi Rob, Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
That's an Eastman 503ce
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Ah, that's a shame, Rob - I have the very FDR-1 pedal that Keira describes, but since I don't use it so much nowadays, I could have done a swap for your Mambo........... Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
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I second the recommendation for a DI box or preamp. You need something to drop the impedance of the guitar signal down to something more digestible by the PA mixer. Most pedals will perform the same function, BTW. If you've got an impedance mismatch the sound will be muddy no matter how you twiddle the knobs.
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Well, as a last-chance for the Mambo, I took out my Ibanez PM2, and was shocked at the difference between it and the Gibson 345 going through the Mambo. The amp is now a keeper. It is all in the mix of guitar, amp, speaker, and fingers. Somehow this all works.
But I love my 345. Its amp is out there somewhere! In the mean time, I'll bring the Joyo to gigs as a back up - good to have.
This thread has been very useful to me. Thanks to all the contributors.
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My 335 (which should sound a lot like your 345 on at least some setting of the Varitone--assuming you have a Varitone on your 345) just kills on an old Lab Series L-5 amp. For jazz tones or "Sco" jazz/rock tones this rig is great. Drawback: the L-5 amp is about the size and weight of a Twin Reverb. Moral: don't give up on finding the amp for you and the 345.
Regarding impedance: Les Paul used low impedance pickups because he liked to run long patch cords without losing the high end of the signal. However, those low-impedance pickups on Les Paul Recording guitars, L-5S guitars, etc., are also great for running straight into the PA. Does anyone make replicas?
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Position 1 on the Varitone is a bypass mode, in effect giving a 335.
No idea about those replicas...
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Rob
I must be the biggest mambo fan on the forum - but it's an archtop amp. It doesn't shine with semis or solids IMO, which as you imply need extra eq range. Glad you gave the mambo another chance; it's great at what it does - for arch tops. Whenever I get ( rarely) a 335 or tele gig, I stick a valve eq pedal in front of the mambo.
Or take a Fender.
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I agree now, yet what do we see on his website banner: Originally Posted by Franz 1997
Mambo Amp
Kind of leads you to think it might suit semis...
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There probably isn't much of a market for winding replica low-impedance pickups, now that I think of it. OTOH, second-hand Gibson Recording Model and Triumph Bass pickups sell for about $250 apiece. You'd think someone would see that and wind a few--unless the molds/bobbins are too expensive to cobble together to be able to recoup the cost of in a thin market. Still, they make CC replica pickups--pretty thin market, too. (My favorite pickup)
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Gibson say the pickups on my 345 1964 Reissue are close copies of the originals PAFs. When I was trying the guitar out in the store it did seem a little quieter than the ones I compared it to, but had more depth and subtlety to my ears. I don't know how accurate they are to the originals, or how low the impedance is, but they are definitely different, and I like them.
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I really like PAF replicas a lot. Gibson's, Ibanez's, Aria's, etc., but most especially the ones by Seymour Duncan. They sound fantastic. Definitely not too hot and super toneful.
Thank goodness the era of the most supremely, incredibly, end-of-times hot, humbucking pickup is behind us. Those pickups that were being swapped into Les Pauls, etc., in the 80s--and are now being swapped out (resulting in many archtops becoming little more than shells, to give it up for Les Pauls that were modded back in the day)--brought heat at the expense of tone, IMO.
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In fairness, there's also a drum there…. Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
(yeah, mambo, I suppose.)
Some early Fender amp ads had cool babes plugging record decks into them...
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The Sansamp Paradriver DI is sort of a Swiss knife for music. Very versatile. I use it with my AI head and can get pretty much any tone I want. It has a very wide range of adjustment options, and it does take a while to get the hang of it. Some love it (I do) and some hate it. It can be Phantom powered if you use a XLR output cable, but with my setup that produces more noise, so I stick to the wall wart. The all important mid range control has adjustable center frequency (semi parametric).
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Franz,
as you are aware I also am a big fan of the Mambo, could not disagree
with your opinion, a semi or solid or even a Sadowsky JB , are better
matched with say, an Evans which has great versatility, but sadly much
more expensive and difficult to acquire this side of the pond.
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Happy to report that the JOYO pedal worked really well as a preamp into the PA. Very impressive for the very low price. Many thanks for the recommendation. Saved me a big chunk of money.
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I would really like to find similar device but with stereo input and output. Originally Posted by Tom Karol
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