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I still want to replace the stock Eminence Beta 10A with something brighter, hopefully more efficient, and not much heavier, but with ample power handling capability. I tried a Rajin Cajun, and I sort of liked it ... until I blew it! How about a Deltalite-II 2510? Obviously doesn't have to be Eminence, though. I'd try a Weber Ceramic California 10 in there, but I'd be afraid of blowing it too. Weber makes a bass speaker, "Ceramic Bass 10FL," that fits the power requirements, except I have no idea how it sounds or how efficient it is. I will email them (as well as Peter Henriksen) about it, but any suggestions here? Prefer to buy something new rather than hunt for a vintage whatever. Thanks.
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10-08-2013 11:45 AM
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More efficient? Is your Henriksen breaking up?
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No, not with the Beta A10 and the volume NEVER past 12:00.
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Find a EVM-10, should be doable in the US.
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Jorge, I knew you were going to say that!
But, of course, that may exactly be the answer!
Edit: Looked into it --> too heavy and too expensive
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Last edited by Tom Karol; 10-08-2013 at 01:24 PM.
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Yeah those are the problems with that speaker... but they are worth it, I think I will try to get one for my Mambo cab soon.
10s are tough... the Henriksen is 100w at 16 ohm, maybe you can find a 100w 10!
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I'm still trying to figure out what's wrong with the stock speaker then?
Sorry, not trying to be dense...just sensing you might be chasing tone dragons here...I mean, a "brighter" speaker? The amp has EQ...
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There's an 8 and a 16ohm Jensen Neo 10, 100W. It fits the light weight requirement. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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The Beta 10 rolls of at 3.8k... the EV 10 goes up to 6k according to their spec sheet. The EV 12 has notorious extended highs versus the Beta 12 for example.
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True... I like those speakers, specially the Tornado. But they have a 150hz spyke that makes them too bassy and the Henriksen is already a bassy amp and the EQ does not take care of it... Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Jeff,
I like the Beta 12A in my 112, and I find the amp's EQ effective in tailoring its response. I'm definitely keeping it.
But, the Beta 10A in the 110 sounds slightly dull and lifeless to me no matter what I do EQ-wise. I much preferred the Ragin Cajun ... until I blew it up. I might actually get another one, with my newly acquired awareness about how hard I can safely push it.
Remember, I'm generally using the 112 for Jazz with the archtop and the 110 for Pop with the semi-hollow.
Clear as mud?
~ Tom
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How about swapping the whole amp for an ER version? Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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The beta 10 has a dip in the 800hz area, so it has less byte than the 12. I actually like that.
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Not the same in my experience... actually very different. I don't know the why, maybe the true tech guys can help here. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Yea, Tom, take a look at a Jensen Neo 10. I've used them before and like em. Their 8 ohm model handles a little more power than the Ragun Cagun (75rms/150peak vs 100rms/200peak) and they're super light. Though it seems they've become a little harder to find these days for some reason. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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tried the deltalite 10 Tom- can't recommend it; light enough, but flat and rather lifeless IMO
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Woody: I could just buy a another Tweetey - I had one, and I sold it - so that's not the answer ... for me.
HallPass: I can buy 2 Ragin Cajuns for less than the cost of 1 Jensen Jet Tornado (Neo), and I still have that nice (currently empty) 1x10 speaker box, so that may be what I'll do and run the 110 conservatively into 2 10" speakers when necessary.
Franz: Thanks for that information. The Deltalite frequency graph on Eminence's Website looks almost identical to the Beta 10A's graph. I'll scratch the expensive Deltalite off my list.
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Well, it's the non tornado versions I've played and was speaking of...which are a little bit less expensive, but still a good bit more expensive than a Ragun Cajun (I believe they're around $120ish new, actually $112 at tubedepot for a 16 ohm version). I had bought a used one for around $75-$80 a while back. I've owned both a 12" and 10" version over the years. Originally Posted by Tom Karol
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Tom, what's your whole setup on the "pop" rig?...I mean, pedals and such.
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OK, the pure Jazz rig is the AR403 and the 112 even though it's less convenient to carry. Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
The Pop rig is the Montreal Premiere and the 110.
But the Rock rig (rarely called for these days) is now the Montreal Premier plus a Carl Martin Quattro (Compression, Distortion, Chorus, Echo) and the 110 ... plus either a 2nd speaker cabinet or adding a speaker-simulated line out to a PA, or even in tandem with the 112 (via the dual mono outputs on the Carl Martin Quattro).
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what about a delt demon by eminence. they have 100w at 8ohm and they are discontinued, so you get them quite cheap right now.
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for refer.
Which 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?
Beta - 10A isn't guitar speaker, miled and push less but good thick as Jensen C10NS.
BETA-10A American Standard Series
Recommended for professional audio, bass guitar, mid-bass or floor monitor applications in sealed enclosures.
http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Beta_10A.pdf
All EQ on the amp was set to neutral
I think good sounds
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...be.LdvgUMJtlXULast edited by kawa; 10-09-2013 at 12:16 PM.
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Current thinking (always subject to change): I may get 2 Weber ceramic California 10's (H dome) - 1 for the amp and 1 for the 1x10 cab.
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Tom I will PM you the e-mail of a guy who put one in his Henriksen - he was very helpful when I was looking for a replacement for my 112 and hadn't yet decided I could buy a 200€ 9kgs speaker (the EV).
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Thanks Jorge - I know of his positive experience with putting a Weber California in a JazzAmp 110. I had a Weber California 12 in a Rivera R55-112 and I liked it a lot, so it's not really a crap shoot for me. I will have to be careful not to blow them, but two of them should be loud enough for anything I do these days without pushing them too hard.
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