Replacement speaker for Henriksen JazzAmp 110?

**Jazz_175** · 10-09-2013, 03:38 PM

Where can you find an EVM-10 and how much is the weight?

**jorgemg1984** · 10-09-2013, 03:43 PM

Only on the used market - weight is aroung 8 kgs I think.

**r_cc_c** · 10-10-2013, 01:58 AM

If shipping is not too much for you, this might be something to try out

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/produc...5-1300#reviews

check out the data sheet

**Jazz_175** · 10-10-2013, 07:45 AM

Tom,
did you inquire Henriksen about possible speaker replacements?

**Tom Karol** · 10-10-2013, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Jazz_175

Tom,
did you inquire Henriksen about possible speaker replacements?

Yes - hope to hear back from Peter soon.

**Tom Karol** · 10-12-2013, 01:09 PM

Decided to not decide ... for now.

**Tom Karol** · 11-03-2013, 05:01 PM

I've continued my research and come up with nothing. It occured to me that there's a good reason why all the boutique high-powered jazz amp makers - Henriksen, JazzKat, Evans, Mambo - use the Beta 10A: it's the only thing readily available that has the required power-handling capability. As much as I know I would like the sound of a Weber California, I'm also pretty sure I would end up blowing it. I'll keep the Beta 10A for now, while waiting to see if a suitable alternative emerges in the market. I'll also stay on the lookout for an EV Force 10 (long out of production) in the meantime.

**Franz 1997** · 11-04-2013, 05:40 AM

I have recently tried the EV force 10 in a mambo 10 combo; this is a 150w speaker so should just about handle the power. What was interesting about the experiment is that, while the EV is clearly a superior speaker with greater clarity and tightness, there is a big trade-off, apart from the extra5 lb or so weight. The Ev is significantly thinner in the 4-600 hz range - i.e. the top 2 strings don't sound as fat for single lines.

I eventually changed back to the beta, which does have that fatness on the top end, at the expense of some sparkle and clarity. However my guitars have tunematics; my guess is that for wooden-bridge arch tops with a naturally warmer top end, the EV is a real option.

Slightly academic I know, EV 10s are v hard to find, but just chucking it in for completeness...

**jorgemg1984** · 11-04-2013, 05:47 AM

Chris, wanna sell the EV?

**Franz 1997** · 11-04-2013, 07:49 AM

i'll email you Jorge

**Tom Karol** · 11-04-2013, 07:58 AM

Franz -
Thanks so much for that info. It sounds like the Force 10 would be exactly what I'd want in the 110, as I also have a 112 with the stock Beta 12A which makes the 12's on my archtop sound like 13's to me; I actually want more of a Pop sound out of the 110. Oh, and 5 extra pounds is OK, but 15 or so extra pounds (EVM10L) is not!

**Franz 1997** · 11-04-2013, 12:06 PM

Tom, this place seems to have one @ $150…I know it says celestion, but just go on down the list. They always have JBLS, EVs, and sometimes Altecs.

http://www.jamminjersey.com/speakers.php?prod=celestion

Ironically, Celestions are run of the mill here in the UK….

**Tom Karol** · 11-04-2013, 12:17 PM

Thanks!

**Woody Sound** · 11-04-2013, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

Only on the used market - weight is aroung 8 kgs I think.

Here's one in an amp that would cost less than the speaker alone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marshall-Rev...-/251368767036

**jorgemg1984** · 11-04-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Woody Sound

Here's one in an amp that would cost less than the speaker alone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Marshall-Rev...-/251368767036

Thanks but I am in Portugal

If I were in the US it seems like a great deal!

**stratcat33511** · 11-07-2013, 04:01 PM

Eminience Legend 1058 - you wont believe your ears

**jorgemg1984** · 11-07-2013, 05:42 PM

But it's only 75w... same problem. Do you use one on yours?

**Tom Karol** · 11-08-2013, 03:07 PM

I think it may be time to wrap this up - for now anyway.

There seems to be nothing currently available in the market that satisfies my combination of requirements (as compared to the Beta 10A).

1. Comparable power handling capability (250 watts);
2. More efficient (97 db sensitivity);
3. Not much heavier (6.8 lbs);
4. New, readily available, and currently in production.

And, of course, it has to sound 'better' too!

So, I think I'm just going to go back to my 'wait and see' mode.

Thanks for all the suggestions!

**stratcat33511** · 11-09-2013, 06:46 PM

Right missed teh wattage thing
I DO use the 1058 in my frontman 25R
Jazz0a0licoius

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

But it's only 75w... same problem. Do you use one on yours?

**Tom Karol** · 11-10-2013, 10:19 AM

A minimalist solution:

www.ampwedge.com (street price is $30)!

I use this with my 112 all the time. Its effect is subtle, but it evens out the bottom end without noticably reducing it while slightly improving dispersion as well. However, it didn't work well with my 110, which is far less deep, because the amp seemed like it wanted to tip over backwards.

Until ...

I bought a couple of rubber door stoppers at the hardware store, and if I wedge them under the back of the amp, it's now pretty stable when the front is propped up on the Amp Wedge. Again, the sonic result is subtle, but definitely positive!

On another note, I finally tried out my proposed JazzAmp Mini-Stack Rock rig (with the Montreal Premiere). I put the 110 on top of the 112 (no AmpWedge), and front-ended it with my Carl Martin Quattro, an analog multi-effects processor which has dual (mono) outputs.

With the volumes on the amps at only about 10:30 on the dial, it sounded really loud and clear as a bell!

Both amp's EQ's were set at:

100 Hz - 9 O'clock;
300 Hz - 9 O'clock;
1kHz - 3 O'clock;
3kHz - 3 O'clock;
10kHz - 12 O'clock.

So, I'm all set for now:
AR403ce with the 112 - they just sound great together - for Jazz;
Montreal Premier with the 110 - no effects - for Pop;
And the afore-mentioned Rock rig for 'Classic' Rock.

That being said, for about half of the gigs I do my Lunchbox Acoustic is just enough. And for about half of those, it's paired with my Vagabond (piezo-equipped acoustic) travel guitar. But I'm ready for anything (except metal)!

**Jazz_175** · 11-10-2013, 11:16 AM

Hey Tom,
it's not quite clear to me, what is that 110 you're talking about?
I thought the Ragin Cajun speaker in your 110 was unusable.

**Tom Karol** · 11-10-2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jazz_175

... I thought the Ragin Cajun speaker in your 110 was unusable.

Yes, I inadvertently blew the Rajin Cajun, but I then reinstalled the original Beta 10A. All is well!

**Tom Karol** · 11-17-2013, 12:17 PM

Argh - I keep going around in circles on this! Sometimes I think that I'll keep the Beta 10A, because it can easily handle all the power the amp can dish out. But I still can't get the amp to sound the way I want it to!

Before someone suggests another amp again, let me say that I don't think that's it, because I don't have that problem with the 112 (identical electronics) which has the stock Beta 12A (in a differently configured cabinet).

So I'm still toying with ordering a Weber California 10 (Ceramic magnet, H-Screen cloth dome, 80w @ 8 Ohms). I know I'll get the sound I want with it. I'll just have to be careful about how much volume I try to get out of it, especially with boost-type effects, and I'll have to accept that if I need more volume than that speaker can safely produce I'll just have to use the 112. I'll let you know if/when I pull the trigger.

**Pukka-J** · 11-17-2013, 01:50 PM

"If it ain't broken, fix it 'till it is" ;-)

**jorgemg1984** · 11-17-2013, 08:54 PM

Tom I am getting my EV 10 soon... can tell you my thoughts when it arrives.

Have you considered a Barb EQ? Mine sounds perfect with it... (and upgraded reverb). Even with a Beta 10.

If you're going with the Weber ask for 16 ohms, will reduce the chance of blowing a speaker.