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But I've never heard ANYONE say a Soldano 13 is too heavy. Because the usual kinds of players that use amps like that seem to assume that the weight is already assumed for the music.
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04-25-2013 09:34 PM
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Jazz Guitarist. n. A person who thinks a Twin Reverb is too heavy and 12s are too light.
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
First I never said that it was or was not ever discussed on this forum. There are other forums in this Universe you know. Secondly you just attributed something to me by quoting my own post where I say that I didn't say it, don't believe it, and agree with all here that the Twin is heavy. So, let me see If I've got this right. When you say, "Bust that myth" are you actually asking me to defend and prove something that I never contended to be true and have categorically stated that I believe to be the opposite? I'm sorry but this is turning out to be a difficult conversation since you are deciding what I am saying when I didn't say it and then expect me to respond to it. In the world of communications I think it's important to let you know that you are transmitting 5 by 5 but it seems that your receiver has gone on the blink.
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Beachbum, nobody is arguing with your post. (At least, not me.) In fact, it was very informative, thanks, more work than I would have done
But for some folks maybe a better title would have been "The Twin is not too heavy for a Twin 12 Tube amp."
Dance on eggshells.
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I'm a whimp. The Twin Reverb is the darned best amp I never owned - due to its weight.
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
Beachbum, nobody is arguing with your post. (At least, not me.) In fact, it was very informative, thanks, more work than I would have done But for some folks maybe a better title would have been "The Twin is not too heavy for a Twin 12 Tube amp."
Dance on eggshells.
Thanks for that, it's appreciated. Not trying to be a Troll in any way. I agree that semantics are important but that aside and like the man said, "Forget the title, just read the book." I posted this thread on I think three or four other forums and that wasn't an issue on any of the others. Don't know why it became one here but then that's beyond my job description.Last edited by BEACHBUM; 04-26-2013 at 12:07 AM.
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Yeah, it's hardly worth getting worked up over. This is a jazz forum and the twin is a favorite beast to rag about, because it sounds so great that it would solve most of our amp problems if we could just lug the sucker up a flight of stairs without any peril. It's a total case of sour grapes. Don't think it's about you, it's about the amp.
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I get that. No sweat. Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
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Well, to put in perspective I am also too a tiny bit overweight myself
But probably not if I would compare to the average guy of my age
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As long as you can still get a glow in your power tube... Originally Posted by fws6
Well, to put in perspective I am also too a tiny bit overweight myself
But probably not if I would compare to the average guy of my age
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I regret selling the Clarus head I owned a few years ago.
It was small, light, clean, powerful and worked with electric guitar, acoustic guitar and basses. It would power any cab I paired with it - even an 8x10" bass cab.
That head, combined with an appropriate sized cab for the playing situation in question was probably one of the best all purpose guitar amps I ever owned.
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My Twin is downstairs. It used to be upstairs. No biggie. I can lug it around, if needed. A few months ago, I played for 90 minutes in a large room for a couple hundred people. My Henriksen was much too puny for the occasion, so I plugged it into the PA and simply used it as a monitor.
The Twin would have been perfect for that occasion, in hindsight. No PA would have been required.
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I get that it's more volume than one needs in a small room. But I found a Twin modified w/ Weber blue dogs far superior to the smaller cab of the Deluxe...not even in the same ballpark. So, there's one plausible justification for keepin' a Twin around....TONE...that can't be matched by smaller cabs...all in my experience, of course. Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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True! But... I have only heads / cabs sytem and at home I rather use my small cabs than my big ones honestly... But my room is small, for those with a big "study" room at home the big size of the Twin might be worth it. Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
I get that it's more volume than one needs in a small room. But I found a Twin modified w/ Weber blue dogs far superior to the smaller cab of the Deluxe...not even in the same ballpark. So, there's one plausible justification for keepin' a Twin around....TONE...that can't be matched by smaller cabs...all in my experience, of course.
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ok, you guys can all send me your Twin's--they're what I use 95% of the time.
or just get a cart to haul it in and stop whining.
;^)
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I keep seeing the thread title and thinking, "The Twin is to heavy, as ______ is to light."
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Anything greater than 30 lbs. is too heavy for me. I used to be able to drag around 2 Twins but now forget about it. It's not that I've lost strength, I don't have the discs in my spine anymore.
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Ah the good old days: A Fender Twin Reverb with EV SROs - 50 pounds of amp/enclosure plus 40 pounds of speakers, all in a single convenient package!
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Back in the late 70's it was a 4 x 12 cabinet (or 2!) for me. Then I joined a wedding band. Anywhere from 1 to 3 gigs most weekends and I quickly went [comparatively] smaller. Favorite was a Music Man HD-130 410 combo. Now, I just love my Evans RE200. 27 pounds and sweet as tubes - honest.
But...
Why is it I still want to get a Twin? Nostalgia perhaps? Hmmmm.....
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It may be too heavy but it's worth the sound. My first interaction with a quality amp happened with a Twin. A guy never forgets his first. I like them big and full of "it."
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Same here. This is why I don't lug big amps around and also why I play seated a lot. Originally Posted by hot ford coupe
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I have to agree with 2bornot2bop. I have an old one on casters. It goes from one room to another and never leaves the house (yes it's too heavy)... but the tone is to die for.
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I had a MM HD-130 head going through a small home made 1x12 with an EVM. That was an awesome rig. Originally Posted by FlatNine
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Hmmm. The majority of the amps you have listed aren't usually thought about when we're talking about jazz, but that's neither here nor there; I'm nearing the vintage age of 60 years old myself and I can tell you that my enthusiasm for carrying heavier amplifiers (regardless of how good they sound) has waned with time. I currently use a Fender Jazz King (which isn't all that light either) and a JazzKat. The JazzKat is a feather weight and easy to lug around. It doesn't sound as nice as the Jazz King (at least not to my ears) but I'm not as likely to require a hernia operation as a result of carrying it around either. So there is a trade off when it comes to amps. So far, I've found that I can live with it. I use a gear cart when I'm gigging with the Jazz King. All I can say is that of all the useful pieces of equipment I've ever owned, a decent gear cart has to be right at or near the top.
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Yes the Twin is too heavy to lug around to gigs IMO. It's like (WHY???) when there are other, much less stress
on the body, options to lug around that sound great for jazz gigs (solid state). So many great sounding
solid state amps for jazz out there you'll ask yourself, "why am I lugging this behemoth around"?
Fortunately even for rock players who think they just have to have tube amps, most of those amps have an option
for a separate head and cabinet. So those dudes aren't necessarily stuck lugging around a heavy combo amp.
Unfortunately most of the tube amps that also sound great for jazz, and have the headroom for jazz gigs,
don't seem to have a head version to help cut down on the weight issue.
I suppose you could get a couple of Deluxe's or something like that? Although the solid state option is still
going to be lighter and more cost effective as well.
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