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Bottom line once you get a good Tal you will never be without one again. Same goes for a great 175. The 2 best plywood archtops in the world IMO.
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11-25-2015 09:39 PM
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OUCH! NOT Plywood, laminated! Plywood (even though it is what it is) is just so brutal sounding.
Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
Funny, I have an Epiphone "Super Strat" (it really WAS a strat killer) and it is a VERY thick plywood body. I could cover up the window on my front door with it in a hurricane. NOTHING would het through that body!
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Oops. Multilayered hand selected AAA maple veneers.
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I wouldn't chose either guitar based only on the sound of those two demo videos. The excessive reverb made it hard to actually hear the guitars- mostly I was hearing the amp and the tail of the 'verb. I am always puzzled by ostensible demo videos of guitars that cover up the sound of the instrument with signal processing and don't show the full tonal range of the instrument.
In terms of choosing, I would base that on what playing environment I would be in. Guitar-bass-drums, guitar-vocalist etc., I would pick the L4 as it's warmer and more intimate. You could actually hear the sweetness of the tone and it would compliment the other voices. With keyboards or a couple of horns I would pick the Tal, assuming that the keys and/or horns are the usual blustery stuff one often hears; if they are Bill Evans-ish, Art Farmer-ish, with some delicacy and dynamics then maybe the L4. In my quintet there'd be enough room for the L4 but in a lot of bands you'd need the cut and assertiveness of the Tal.
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......." - - with each piece carefully matched and then bonded to one another, using the classic artisan methods employing controlled temperature techniques and adhesives." ......" Only hot hide glue is used, with curing times strictly monitored and in a low VOC compliant environment . " Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
.. ( Geez - -that was just too easy ! ).
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With all due respect to the people who own one, Even if it is cheaper, it should be.. How in the world could that be considered an L5 anyway? The Tal Farlow is a better guitar, I'm sorry.
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Yup, if anything it's WIDER. Originally Posted by pubylakeg
Using a little bit of angle extension from paint shop, starting at the last fret at the widest part of the neck continuing a straight line (not counting aliasing) to infinity on both sides using the clearly defined edges I CAN see, the neck shape becomes clear, and shows the outline of the truss rod cover centered perfectly between my neck extension lines?
That is unless they made it like a banjo neck somewhere in the dark where I can't see.
Clever humans :-)
Here's another with the contrast changed to reveal the edges of the nut
Last edited by GNAPPI; 11-26-2015 at 03:05 AM.
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I recently sold my main carved top guitar because for gigs/jams I prefer my laminate guitar. I like the drier, slightly crisper sound that laminates seem to produce (though floater vs. mounted pickup also affects this). I agree that both videos have a bit too much reverb, but still I prefer the sound out of the TF. To me it sounds a bit more authoritative.
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good word 'authoritative'
the l4 is a bit too 'soft'
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THUNKY, you mean? Originally Posted by coolvinny
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Thanks Gnappi, respectfully, I think the angled perspective of that shot might not provide the best source to analyze the dimensions of the nut in the manner you've ingeniously devised. Unfortunately, I cant find any front on shots which aren't affected by perspective, but from watching as much footage of Tal over the years, I have a strong suspicion the nut on the prototype was narrower.
There was a guy on the Gibson forum who commissioned the Custom shop to build a replica of the prototype. He said that Gibson have no record of the spec of the guitar in their files. He had to give them a copy of the Lorenzo DeStefano film to watch to get some idea of the spec.
Anyone know what years Gibson started to consistently use nut sizes other than the 1 & 11/16".
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more projection?
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Perspective isn't the only factor, relative dimensions are what I was trying to show. The first image is too dark to see the outline of the neck. contrast enhancement "de-lied" the illusion that the neck was (as it really appeared) very narrow. The last pic you show doesn't appear abnormally narrow.
Take for example the relationship between the A / B strings and the edges of the TRC above. I think that if you look closely at current pics (straight on) you'll see that these strings are where they should be (if anything set a bit wider) on a standard neck with a "standard" TRC?
At any rate, a freeze frame from a motion pic would only be useful for layout and appointments of the guitar, it would take a rocket scientist (which I am not) to glean much in the way of dimensions from a pic. And then only if the researcher had known nearby objects to correlate dimensions with.
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11-26-2015, 03:26 PM #89Dutchbopper GuestThe TAL reissue is currently the most attractive non vintage Gibson archtop you could possibly buy. Price wise a lot more attractive than an L5, which is simply way too expensive IMHO. The price quality ratio of a Tal Farlow is much better. For as long as it will last Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
DB
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Absolutely, and thank you for taking the trouble to investigate my theory. Originally Posted by GNAPPI
I have discussed this issue in broader terms with Irish luthier John Moriarty. He has used pictures of guitar fretboards, (being a known quantity, via scale length and fret measurements) to determine other dimensions by scale. My suspicions
regarding nut width having originally been piqued by film/pics but furthered by Tal's receptiveness to other (non standard) scale lengths, combined with Gibson's early 60's experiments with differing nut widths.
I do have to say, it's a pity Gibson didn't use the larger deluxe model headstock size on the re-issue, but they are beautiful looking designs.Last edited by pubylakeg; 11-26-2015 at 03:41 PM.
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I would love a Tal ...
And I keep thinking I should sell my L4CES to finance something like a TAL or a Super 400 ... or some other cool guitar
But then I play my L4 and I don't won't to let it go
LOL
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The only way to evaluate a class act guitar is in person. I'll say this, there are VERY few guitars with almost unanimous praise like the L5 and Tal Farlow, it says a lot about those two at least. Another thing, I've never heard of anyone yanking the pups or other stuff on those models either... gotta be a reason no?
Last edited by GNAPPI; 11-28-2015 at 04:19 PM.
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Hi you all... alea jacta est so said Cesar right after having crossed Rubicone river. I also crossed my Rubicone and I got my Tal! Please find the attached pics of both ES175 and Tal.
Playing it was a very nice surprise: I felt the neck immediately comfortable and my hand didn't suffer the length at all, fingers run even easier. Sound is mellow but also present and ready (sorry for adjectives I don't know if they have any sense). Anyway I am very pleased for the change.
It has round wound strings which sound quite clean, they seem to be the kind in between round/flat. I started to change the low E replacing with Thomastick flat wound but I find it quite noisy so I will probably put the old back.
Would Gary, Vinnyv1k and others TF players have some suggestion about strings?
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Congratulations, welcome in the Tal appreciation club
I use TI Swing JS112 on mine, had tried JS113 for 2 weeks, but went back to JS112 and will stay with them.
They provide me with enough tension and a great tone.
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Thank you Vinlander, I am very happy to joint in it.
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Marceff,
Congratulations! You are going to love the Tal. I am with Vinlander with the TI-12's. Perfect strings for that guitar.
You will be spoiled with Guitar. There aren't many other guitars that compare to it.
Best of Luck and enjoy!
Joe D
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