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played this today:Gibson Custom Shop Tal Farlow Vintage Sunburst | Rainbow Guitars
very nice!
The neck width and depth tired me out a little (I play a 1957 Guild Stratford x-350 with a very thin neck).
Did the Tal model always have the highly figured top?
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11-24-2015 04:41 PM
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i play in a bop style. a lot of four in the bar accompaniment at bright ish tempos - and a lot of blowing. the tal is the bop guitar i think.
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Absolutely !
Originally Posted by Groyniad
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I like darker sound better than brighter, so when playing my P94 175 I use to keep both pu open with no treble. I don't know whether the Tal would sound "better" to me but I'll check it pretty soon, next Saturday. Hope to not have problem with board scale but if I will I can always keep my 175 and forget the Tal.
I do not know much about pu, but I've played a 1963 175 with humbuckers and I liked very much. Unfortunately I couldn't buy it as the owner didn't sell it and I bet, if he would, I couldn't afford it.
As I wrote before, I am building my sound and maybe next year my taste changes and I'll trade my 175/Tal for a Stratocaster or PRS.
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If You like darker the P94's are not necessarily best pickups for Your ES-175.
Changing them to f ex Classic '57 humbuckers would be easy – and cheap – update for Your sound without destroying the setup You have reached.
(And by 'easy' I mean cutting the old pu leads, not doing the swap thru the orthodoxian harness way.)
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It was Keith Richards, during the shoot for the Hail Hail Rock and Roll Movie. Originally Posted by Greentone
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I find just the oppposite, the thin neck on my ES-150 can tire me if I don't play it often. Every Tal Farlow I ever saw has a nicely figured top. Originally Posted by tucson matt
Last edited by GNAPPI; 11-25-2015 at 03:16 AM.
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With all due respect here, I sorta don't get the point. The 175 is a great, smaller, shorter scale git, The Tal is a great, bigger, longer scale git. If you want or have a reason to make that paradigm switch to the bigger git, yes, do it. If you are comfy in your current feel, don't. If you want both, then add on. But why both? Settle on your own thing.
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Originally Posted by tucson matt
That's the one I played ... I loved the neck
I even liked the acoustic sound
If I was rolling in cash it would be at my house ... along with one of Harvey's L5Ps
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I think that the difference in sound between an L4 and a 175 is that the L4 mahogany has a softer attack. To my ears, a 175 has a rounder, more defined attack and an L4 is a softer attack that produces the mellower sound. The Tals that I have played have more of the 175 attack profile. It probably has to do with the difference between mahogany and maple backs and sides.
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Always was fascinated by the Tal since the RI came out in the 90s... Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Really fell in love with it almost 10 years ago when I first saw Mr. Five Sharps videos
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11-25-2015, 08:19 AM #62Dutchbopper GuestYes, that was my Youtube name back then. I had a substantial Youtube following as Five Sharp with about 5000 subscribers at the time. And then one day I foolishly deleted my Google account. I had no idea that would automatically delete my Youtube account too. All gone! Came back as DB but these days I only use Youtube as a host for my Blog vids. I don't care about the channel as a personal platform anymore. That is my Blog these days. Originally Posted by vinlander
Always was fascinated by the Tal since the RI came out in the 90s...
Really fell in love with it almost 10 years ago when I first saw Mr. Five Sharps videos
DB
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Woody, You simplified it perfectly. Originally Posted by Woody Sound
The thing about the Tal is that it is as close to an L5CES as you can get with the word Gibson on the headstock, for around $3,000 less. If you like the look of it, then it is a slam dunk. I think if the OP loves his 175, then its a mistake to part with it. But I can personally vouch for adding a Tal. In fact, it could easily be the only guitar I own. The Tal is quite possibly the best all around guitar, in my opinion. And I absolutely LOVE the way it looks.
A couple of weeks ago I was checking into a hotel and I had my Tal with me. A gentleman walked up to me and said, "excuse me, I have a Les Paul Custom at home. Can I ask what's in the case". I said, A Gibson Tal Farlow. Immediately his eyes opened wide and he asked me if I could open the case so he could see it. When I opened the case, he called his wife over and said Honey check this out, its a Tal Farlow! His wife said, Wow! And she looked at him and said, So I guess you want one of these now, huh? He said, Yeah, I've always wanted one, but I've never actually seen one..
True Story. Its the best kept secret in the Gibson Line-up. Amazing Guitar.
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Can you tell me more about the neck? I want a Tal, but was thinking that the necks were too thin. I like a big '50s style neck. For that reason, I was considering having Heritage make an H-550 with a big neck. However, if there are Tal's out there I might reconsider. Originally Posted by tucson matt
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I am a HUGE Tal fan. Both the man and the guitar.
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can't say more except to say I've pretty much played one archtop for over 20 years and it has a very thin and shallow neck, so my perception of the Gibson comes from that. Originally Posted by Encinitastubes
Also, I have played very few Gibsons over the years (that was the first time I ever played a Tal for example)
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The neck on my 1996 is slim at the nut and medium size progressively. Originally Posted by tucson matt
As far as I know they always had figured maple as early as the first prototype (before it faded to blond) played by Tal's father here in the early 60s:
I wonder if the Tal RI Viceroy Brown color is not based on that one...Last edited by vinlander; 11-25-2015 at 01:26 PM. Reason: precision
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that pickupswitch is in a better spot than the new ones
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Except L5 Studio sellers typically sell those guitars for more than one can often acquire a used Tal. I recently had a trade offer from a buyer who had a black L5 Studio to trade...stunning guitar. Originally Posted by Hammertone
I agree with Joe...best kept secret in the Gibson archtop lineup bar none...I been here 5 years and until recently I hadn't a clue the Tal was the gem it is.
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IMO for bop no guestion......The Tal but a good 175 will be just as good for bop.
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Originally Posted by Encinitastubes
Hi, the recent TF's do not have a 'thin ' neck, but are somewhat similar to the L5CES ( I luckily own both )
if it is of any interest as comparison i have moved on a ES175DN VOS '59 , a Guild Benedetto ,and a
really good L4 CES merely to" thin the herd.' I decided to keep the TF and L5 as they are both 25.5' scale
with comfortable necks. May I suggest that you read Joe DeNisco's views on both of the guitars ,I concur
also with his comments on both and the fact that the TF is very underrated ,that is until you play one.
I have had three , a rare blonde , a crimson finish and my current model is the Viceroy brown as depicted in
Vinny1k 's recent post here. Give one a try.Last edited by silverfoxx; 11-25-2015 at 06:24 PM.
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I concur with silver. They are still a grand cheaper new than a L4. Best Gibson jazz guitar for the money hands down.
Gibson is catching on though. My first Tal I bought brand new in 2008 and it was $300 cheaper than a new 175 at the time. My dirtbag ex friend talked me out of it and then sold it for a profit and that one was a flame monster to the max.
I paid $3k new for the one in 2008 and now they are $5-6k new. Funny I saw one for the first time in the mid 90's and thought that is the gaudiest guitar I have ever seen. Now I think they are one of the sexiest archtops you can get.
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I liken the looks of a TF to walking into a room with a pretty girl that only 1/3 of the guys think is pretty, the rest won't give her a second look! Yeah that's it! the TF is the Cindy Crawford of guitars! Arf, arf... Originally Posted by Groyniad
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In French we would say a Tal has "un je ne sais quoi"
Actually when I got mine, my wife said it was the most beautiful guitar she had ever seen...
Was a bonus factor to let me get my dream guitar...Last edited by vinlander; 11-25-2015 at 08:56 PM.
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I've watched that film 100's of times and I have a feeling about the prototype pictured. Would anyone like to offer an opinion as to whether that guitar had a nut width narrower than the standard 1 & 11/16" ? Originally Posted by vinlander
The neck on my 1996 is slim at the nut and medium size progressively.
As far as I know they always had figured maple as early as the first prototype (before it faded to blond) played by Tal's father here in the early 60s:
I wonder if the Tal RI Viceroy Brown color is not based on that one...
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