Neodymium guitar amp speakers

**jorgemg1984** · 01-10-2014, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

Not even harmonics. The guitar is itself has a wider range than that. Plug your guitar into a board and attenuate everything above 3k. Then move the attenuation up to 5k. HUGE difference.

Jack that's pretty much a fact...

http://www.henriksenamps.com/the-eq-controls/

Fundamentals end at 1.3k. Harmonics go up to around 5k.

Now harmonics are very important to the sound and of course if you cut on 3k you will hear a big dfference.

**Woody Sound** · 01-10-2014, 10:19 AM

I have been using an Eminence Patriot L'l Texas. It weighs, like, air.

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/spe...odel=Lil_Texas

**jzucker** · 01-10-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

Jack that's pretty much a fact...

http://www.henriksenamps.com/the-eq-controls/

Fundamentals end at 1.3k. Harmonics go up to around 5k.

Now harmonics are very important to the sound and of course if you cut on 3k you will hear a big dfference.

Right, which is why a guitar speaker that cuts off sharply at 3k will sound like crap.

**jzucker** · 01-10-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

Jack that's pretty much a fact...

http://www.henriksenamps.com/the-eq-controls/

Fundamentals end at 1.3k. Harmonics go up to around 5k.

Now harmonics are very important to the sound and of course if you cut on 3k you will hear a big dfference.

And it's also why the tone controls on the Henriksen and the AI don't do much in the treble range. The treble control should be down an octave. Henriksen and AI use more of a PA system tone stack which works well for vocals, acoustic instruments (10k is great for acoustic guitar or slap bass) but for electric guitar, jazz, rock, fusion, you want that treble control at 4.5k (ish)

**monkmiles** · 01-10-2014, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Woody Sound

I have been using an Eminence Patriot L'l Texas. It weighs, like, air.

http://www.eminence.com/speakers/spe...odel=Lil_Texas

What amp do you have it in?

I have the Lil Texas in my Princeton Reverb RI. With its light weight, it weighs close to the same as it did stock. Yet it now has a much louder (101db sensitivity) speaker and 12" spread. Really makes my PRRI a louder and pretty clean sounding amp that I can use for jazz or rock in many band formats.

**GuyBoden** · 01-10-2014, 12:21 PM

About 8 years ago I tried about 3 different types of Celestion Neo 12inch speakers in my Fender Deluxe Reverb, I liked the sound of the G12 Century best, but wasn't convinced that they had a improved sound compared to a good quality standard speaker.

Concerning high quality light weight solutions, I've played through one of these Bose L1 systems and the sound was impressive.

http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/...lebass_pkg.jsp

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**David B** · 01-10-2014, 08:05 PM

I have been toying with the idea of a Jensen Tornado in my DRRI.

**MackBolan** · 01-13-2014, 10:58 AM

- Changed the PU"S in my Ibanez L5CES copy from the original japanese ones to Jason Lollars
High Wind Imperials
(why High Winds?,"cause someone told me that High Winds have a little more mids compared to
Low Winds)
but the sound of the guitar became overly bright for my taste,so much that I thought,Lollars is
another custom winder thats overrated on the web,
until I came to the conclusion: brightness doesn"t come from the PU"s but from the
fucking bright liveless neodym speaker in my custom build F-Deluxe style amp,
neodym speaker might work for bassists,but not for guitarists.
The worst shitty invention of the last decade,sound- and senseless.
If your old amp becomes too heavy, change to a smaller one(i.e. from Twin to Deluxe/Princeton),
but keep your hands off the neodym speaker.

**jzucker** · 01-13-2014, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by MackBolan

- Changed the PU"S in my Ibanez L5CES copy from the original japanese ones to Jason Lollars
High Wind Imperials
(why High Winds?,"cause someone told me that High Winds have a little more mids compared to
Low Winds)
but the sound of the guitar became overly bright for my taste,so much that I thought,Lollars is
another custom winder thats overrated on the web,
until I came to the conclusion: brightness doesn"t come from the PU"s but from the
fucking bright liveless neodym speaker in my custom build F-Deluxe style amp,
neodym speaker might work for bassists,but not for guitarists.
The worst shitty invention of the last decade,sound- and senseless.
If your old amp becomes too heavy, change to a smaller one(i.e. from Twin to Deluxe/Princeton),
but keep your hands off the neodym speaker.

I don't agree. Neodymium doesn't make a speaker bright. The brightness of a speaker is determined by many factors. The overall frequency response curve of the speaker is what's important, not what technology the magnet is.

Those high wind lollars are darker , in fact than a standard pickup. Most jazz guys like the standard lollor or the low wind. The low wind actually has more highs and lows.

**jads57** · 01-13-2014, 12:47 PM

Has anyone directly compared the Jensen Neo 12", Tornado vs. the Emininence Tonkelite and or Lil Texas Neo speakers?

**Jimmy Mack** · 01-13-2014, 10:15 PM

Neo speakers don't necessarily brighten up an amp's response. Maybe some do?

I like the Tonkerlite - in my amp that was too mid-heavy. But the new Neo spkr. did not brighten it up much.

I bought it based pretty much on what I read everywhere on the net, and I read many many threads on them.

**jzucker** · 01-13-2014, 10:27 PM

i didn't want the tonker/lil texas. They are too nasally for my tastes. I wanted something with a flatter response though I am auditioning a jensen tornado neo this weekend.

**Jazz_175** · 02-25-2014, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by jzucker

i didn't want the tonker/lil texas. They are too nasally for my tastes. I wanted something with a flatter response though I am auditioning a jensen tornado neo this weekend.

Did you try the Jensen Tornado Neo? If so, What are your impressions?

**jzucker** · 02-25-2014, 06:53 PM

btw, my buddy tried several of the rock-oriented neo speakers made by jensen and emi and said they were so inefficient that they were unusable with his 35w amp

**iim7V7IM7** · 02-25-2014, 07:04 PM

Yes, the Tornado is rated as a 97 dB speaker and the Tonkerlite is 101 dB (more efficient). I have summarized their respective frequency responses below (fundamental guitar frequencies in bold).

Jensen Jet Tornado
Major Deviations: 150 Hz@102 dB, 1,500 Hz @ 95 dB, 2,700 Hz@107 dB
50-83 dB
60-87 dB
70-90 dB
80-93 dB
90-96 dB
100-98 dB
200-99 dB
300-98 dB
400-96 dB
500-98 dB
600-99 dB
700-98 dB
800-98 dB
900-98 dB
1000-99 dB
2000-103 dB
3000-103 dB
4000-103 dB
5000- 100 dB
6000-91 dB
7000-79 dB

Tonkerlite
Major Deviations: 1000 Hz@106 dB, 1500 Hz@94 dB,
50-88 dB
60-91 dB
70-94 dB
80-95 dB
90-97 dB
100-98 dB
200-99 dB
300-98 dB
400-99 dB
500-99 dB
600-100 dB
700-100 dB
800-101 dB
900-102 dB
1000-106 dB
2000-109 dB
3000-106 dB
4000-101 dB
5000-99 dB
6000-96 dB
7000-86 dB

**Jazz_175** · 02-25-2014, 07:07 PM

Jensen Tornado 12" or Eminence Tonkerlite: which one would be better as a replacement of Eminence Beta 12 in a Henriksen JazzAmp?

**jorgemg1984** · 02-25-2014, 07:35 PM

The tornado's 150hz and 700hz spikes do not help with the two main problems the Henriksen has: boomy and ice pick (which the 100hz and 1k knob can't properly solve). In my experience. It extends the treble though, which is very good.

**Cobra** · 02-25-2014, 10:17 PM

Another option is Telonics Speakers...

I just ordered a neo 12" Telonics.
They're available in 4ohm & 8ohm.

The steel guys seem to like them.
Lot's of info & pix in the link below:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=241968

**Jazz_175** · 02-26-2014, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Cobra

Another option is Telonics Speakers...

I just ordered a neo 12" Telonics.
They're available in 4ohm & 8ohm.

The steel guys seem to like them.
Lot's of info & pix in the link below:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=241968

Where are you going to put it?

**jzucker** · 02-26-2014, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Cobra

Another option is Telonics Speakers...

I just ordered a neo 12" Telonics.
They're available in 4ohm & 8ohm.

The steel guys seem to like them.
Lot's of info & pix in the link below:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=241968

as far as I can see on the site, it's 4 ohm only. And i'm pretty sure that's just a re-labeled eminence EPS-12C

http://www.eminence.com/2013/01/emin...atriot-series/

4ohm only which is what the telonics site says too

**jzucker** · 02-26-2014, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

The tornado's 150hz and 700hz spikes do not help with the two main problems the Henriksen has: boomy and ice pick (which the 100hz and 1k knob can't properly solve). In my experience. It extends the treble though, which is very good.

you can't tell that by a frequency graph. Too many variables. The enclosure changes the response of the speaker as does the content. When you look at a graph, a single square wave tone is driving that. Some things you can infer from the graph such as where the high frequencies drop off or whether it can reproduce a low fundamental but anything more and you're just guessing IMO.

I take that back because I can guarantee Jorge will say he *CAN* tell that from the graph so what i mean to say is that for everyone else, you can't tell that from the graph.

But the biggest problem with the tornado, according to several jazz guys who have tried it is that it just doesn't sound good and apparently they discontinued the neutral sounding one which had a better chance of satisfying a jazz guy

**Jazz_175** · 02-26-2014, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

But the biggest problem with the tornado, according to several jazz guys who have tried it is that it just doesn't sound good and apparently they discontinued the neutral sounding one which had a better chance of satisfying a jazz guy

Well, there is a member of TGP, whom I contacted, that seems to be happy with a Tornado in his Henriksen 112,
so it's really something one cannot tell in advance. It should be tried and judged according to one's own ears.

**jorgemg1984** · 02-26-2014, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by jzucker

you can't tell that by a frequency graph. Too many variables. The enclosure changes the response of the speaker as does the content. When you look at a graph, a single square wave tone is driving that. Some things you can infer from the graph such as where the high frequencies drop off or whether it can reproduce a low fundamental but anything more and you're just guessing IMO.

I take that back because I can guarantee Jorge will say he *CAN* tell that from the graph so what i mean to say is that for everyone else, you can't tell that from the graph.

But the biggest problem with the tornado, according to several jazz guys who have tried it is that it just doesn't sound good and apparently they discontinued the neutral sounding one which had a better chance of satisfying a jazz guy

I can say that because I have a 2x12 cab with Tornados and an Henriksen head.

**jzucker** · 02-26-2014, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jazz_175

Well, there is a member of TGP, whom I contacted, that seems to be happy with a Tornado in his Henriksen 112,
so it's really something one cannot tell in advance. It should be tried and judged according to one's own ears.

is he gigging with it though? The issue with many of the emi and jensen speakers is that the cone cannot handle gig level clean volumes. They're designed to break up for overdriven tones...

**Jazz_175** · 02-26-2014, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by jorgemg1984

The tornado's 150hz and 700hz spikes do not help with the two main problems the Henriksen has: boomy and ice pick (which the 100hz and 1k knob can't properly solve). In my experience. It extends the treble though, which is very good.

Can you not partially remove those frequencies with a Para Eq or a graphic eq?