Twin reverb, which one?

[wintermoon]

Really not that big a deal, a lttle overreaction so comments zapped.
Back to the regularly scheduled Twin thread ...

[jads57]

My Apologies to other members here, for being overly zealous in my opinions about the Twin Reverb and its alternatives

[Spook410]

If your tech is 4 hours away, wouldn't you have the same problem with any amp or is it about the logistics of getting a heavy combo there?

Tube amps do require periodic adjustments and repairs. Things drift. Parts wear out. And not just tubes. When a solid state amp breaks you usually throw it away and get something else. Thing is, in my humble experience, high quality models rarely break.

[Spook410]

My Apologies to other members here, for being overly zealous in my opinions about the Twin Reverb and its alternatives

You're fine.. polite.. logical.. no personal attacks.. offering pertinent information.

And we got a classic dramatic exit.. love those.

[jads57]

Twin Reverbs are great amps overall. I’m just surprised how conservative we as guitarists are overall. I always looked for the best solution for the situation. And to not try new solutions that are cheaper and offer more possibilities seems short sighted imo.

But some people just love vintage cars as well. So who am I to judge anyone else. I hope it’s a great Twin Reverb the OP ends up with and brings many years of pleasure.
And again apologies to anyone I offended!

[yebdox]

I purchased a Dual Showman head that had been blackfaced and put into a twin cab a few years ago by Rick Hayes of Vintage Sound amps. (He had done that for someone else who I purchased it from.)

After I bought it, I sent it to Rick to have it cleaned up, and added the Diaz mod for a little extra gain. However, over the last few years it had gradually become a bit more noisy than I am comfortable with. I didn't really appreciate the Diaz mod much anyway as I'm a pedal guy, so had my local amp guru go through the whole thing, removing all the carbon comp resistors, putting in new caps and higher quality ceramic tube sockets. Now it's dead quiet, but still weighs a ton:-)

I'm seriously thinking about getting a matching cab setup with a tall Dual Showman Reverb replacement cab (Had one of those in the 70s as well) along with a nice 2 x 12 separate cab just to make transportation easier. Much more comfortable in the "farmer's carry" configuration :-)

Mine sounds great with everything from Strats to L5's and Martins, along with any kind of pedal. I did put Celestion G12-65's into it, which warms it up even more for my personal taste.

Anyway, add my voice to the choir; Twins are great amps for so many reasons.

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

Twin Reverbs are great amps overall. I’m just surprised how conservative we as guitarists are overall. I always looked for the best solution for the situation. And to not try new solutions that are cheaper and offer more possibilities seems short sighted imo.

But some people just love vintage cars as well. So who am I to judge anyone else. I hope it’s a great Twin Reverb the OP ends up with and brings many years of pleasure.
And again apologies to anyone I offended!

No apologies needed, as I see it. You offered reasonable advice in a friendly and respectful way. The OP ends with “I looked also into princetons, but I came to the conclusion that it's better something definitive. Let me know what you think and if you have any tips!” . That seems to me to be asking for opinions, not only confirmation of the wisdom of putting a Twin in a small presumably non-professional recording studio and practice area.

I agree completely that the areas in which a Twin really shines do not include vocal booth sized enclosed spaces. Especially if recording is a main goal, that’s a setting in which a Twin (any Twin except maybe tweed low power versions) is just another amplifier. The spaciousness of the sound from 2 twelves in an open back cab is lost. The power is wasted and the same sound can be captured with the same mic(s) from any decent 2x6L6 1x12 amp. I also agree that a high quality modern amp like a Quilter Aviator 3 or a 202 through a 1x12 will yield the same recorded sound with no special effort required.

A Twin really shines when it’s recorded in a decently large space with both direct and ambient mics. Even a single mic that’s not severely omnidirectional will capture the bloom of a Twin if spaced a bit away from it. But close mic’ing in a closet removes its biggest strengths, IMO.

I see nothing wrong with offering tips (as specifically requested by the OP) that have saved many of us with considerable experience a lot of aggravation and wasted expense. I’ve bought more than a few things I was advised against by people whose judgment I respected. It almost always worked out badly.

FWIW, a stationary recording and practice location is a great place for a Twin. Size and weight don’t matter, and if there’s even a little space for 360 degree dispersion, the sound is glorious. That’s how I use mine - but the room is about 20x30’.

[jads57]

For recording there are better options nowadays as opposed to having a great room and microphone on it. I think unless you’re an experienced recording engineer and have access to a serious studio, end results with plugins are way cheaper,easier and able to change the actual result.
I say this doing many jingles and recording over the years,and the advent of Pro Tools,etc.

[DawgBone]

A Twin really shines when it’s recorded in a decently large space with both direct and ambient mics. Even a single mic that’s not severely omnidirectional will capture the bloom of a Twin if spaced a bit away from it. But close mic’ing in a closet removes its biggest strengths, IMO.

I see nothing wrong with offering tips (as specifically requested by the OP) that have saved many of us with considerable experience a lot of aggravation and wasted expense. I’ve bought more than a few things I was advised against by people whose judgment I respected. It almost always worked out badly.

FWIW, a stationary recording and practice location is a great place for a Twin. Size and weight don’t matter, and if there’s even a little space for 360 degree dispersion, the sound is glorious. That’s how I use mine - but the room is about 20x30’.

I just finished a recording. Room was about 12x20. I close mic'ed it with a 57 and then room mic'ed about five feet back and five feet up with a Warm Audio WA84. It came out decent. I wouldn't go without a room mic along with a close mic but you gotta spend the time finding the sweet spot in the room for the room mic, because every room will be different.

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

I just finished a recording. Room was about 12x20. I close mic'ed it with a 57 and then room mic'ed about five feet back and five feet up with a Warm Audio WA84. It came out decent. I wouldn't go without a room mic along with a close mic but you gotta spend the time finding the sweet spot in the room for the room mic, because every room will be different.

[DawgBone]

Yep, it was cranked too, though I found with a Blue Note OD in front of it that setting the amp vol between 7-8 allowed the amp/speakers to retain a little better composure. It gets a little sloppy further up the dial.

[pauln]

But some people just love vintage cars as well.

Yes we do!

[jim777]

FWIW, a stationary recording and practice location is a great place for a Twin. Size and weight don’t matter, and if there’s even a little space for 360 degree dispersion, the sound is glorious. That’s how I use mine - but the room is about 20x30’.

What I wouldn't give for a 20' by 30' music room! Maybe in the next house

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

What I wouldn't give for a 20' by 30' music room! Maybe in the next house

I may have left out a little something, Jim - it's also the living room and the dining room...



The Twin and Princeton are under the piano, with the audio amplifier and assorted electronics on a low shelf against the wall behind them...



The gear closet is behind the piano. It was a coat and utility closet when we got the apartment. But it now has shelves above the clothes bar running the full length (from left to right behind the piano). There are now floor to ceiling shelves on the end wall (behind the right end of the piano) for amps, speakers, parts, gear bags, etc (plus our good china and a host of household items). Out of season clothes are on the bar, and my guitar cases stand under the bar just in front of the shelves at the end.

Think big, live small.

PS: The wide angle lens I used to capture the above pics distorts perspective. "Objects in the pictures are not as far apart as they appear to be" .

[jim777]

Everything is a music room once you start strumming in it!

[nevershouldhavesoldit]

Everything is a music room once you start strumming in it!

...not to mention a recording studio, a recital parlor, a rehearsal space, and a private cafe!

[DawgBone]

What I wouldn't give for a 20' by 30' music room! Maybe in the next house

My entire house is barely larger than that but we got gear pretty much everywhere since everyone in the house enjoys music. The kid has a soundcraft series 5 48 channel board taking up most of his bedroom. And the living room is full of guitars and amps (and scaffolding since I been trying to finish the vaulted ceiling).

[Christian Miller]

I exclusively use other people’s Twins.

For some reason they get left at venues

Also I don’t have a forklift


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